coops

You can f**k off now - we don't need deadshits like you. I would settle for
a loss if it meant not having you playing for the Broncos. You will fit in
well at the Dogs - they need another grub to partner Morrin.

John Heath

On Sep 5, 8:40*pm, "coops" <pdcoo...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> You can f**k off now - we don't need deadshits like you. I would settle for
> a loss if it meant not having you playing for the Broncos. You will fit in
> well at the Dogs - they need another grub to partner Morrin.

Hear hear. Well said, that man. The very model of a modern cockroach.

It makes me wonder how Bennett can see that shit and not tell (P)ennis
to pull his head out of his arse. Then again, WB never pulled up
Tallis, Gee, Gavin Allen (or whatever other enforcer/shit stirrer of
the moment) either.

'n

On Sep 5, 8:40*pm, "coops" <pdcoo...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> You can f**k off now - we don't need deadshits like you. I would settle for
> a loss if it meant not having you playing for the Broncos. You will fit in
> well at the Dogs - they need another grub to partner Morrin.

Ennis is a Dill, I mean the ref apparently warned him prior to kick-
off that he was marked by officials.

I don't like the sound of that, and I'm surprised no-one picked this
up and ran with it in here; it's clear that officials are targeting
specific players. McKinnon must've been on 'ref-watch' to have copped
his puzzling suspension this week; it seems the ref's are cracking
down on smartarses and backchatters.

Ennis just needs to stfu and distribute the ball and try forgetting to
be the third man into completed tackles, you can't give that cheap
posession away in September. I figure he's incapable of changing
though. Pity PJ seems to be out of form, favour or both.

'n

Mike Burke

On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:30:44 -0700 (PDT), "'n" <iangeorgeau@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 5, 8:40*pm, "coops" <pdcoo...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> You can f**k off now - we don't need deadshits like you. I would settle for
>> a loss if it meant not having you playing for the Broncos. You will fit in
>> well at the Dogs - they need another grub to partner Morrin.
>
>Ennis is a Dill, I mean the ref apparently warned him prior to kick-
>off that he was marked by officials.
>
>I don't like the sound of that, and I'm surprised no-one picked this
>up and ran with it in here; it's clear that officials are targeting
>specific players. McKinnon must've been on 'ref-watch' to have copped
>his puzzling suspension this week; it seems the ref's are cracking
>down on smartarses and backchatters.
>
>Ennis just needs to stfu and distribute the ball and try forgetting to
>be the third man into completed tackles, you can't give that cheap
>posession away in September. I figure he's incapable of changing
>though. Pity PJ seems to be out of form, favour or both.
>
Well, if the refs are starting to crack down on the smartarses and
backchatters, that can't be a bad thing, provided they do warn the
serial offenders under special scrutiny, and provided they're
consistent.

Not holding my breath.

Mique

Geraint Vincent }:c{»

"Mike Burke" <mburke@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
news:g556c49jf9h60jq3d0e6qai83vnoto67vl@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:30:44 -0700 (PDT), "'n" <iangeorgeau@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sep 5, 8:40 pm, "coops" <pdcoo...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>> You can f**k off now - we don't need deadshits like you. I would settle
>>> for
>>> a loss if it meant not having you playing for the Broncos. You will fit
>>> in
>>> well at the Dogs - they need another grub to partner Morrin.
>>
>>Ennis is a Dill, I mean the ref apparently warned him prior to kick-
>>off that he was marked by officials.
>>
>>I don't like the sound of that, and I'm surprised no-one picked this
>>up and ran with it in here; it's clear that officials are targeting
>>specific players. McKinnon must've been on 'ref-watch' to have copped
>>his puzzling suspension this week; it seems the ref's are cracking
>>down on smartarses and backchatters.
>>
>>Ennis just needs to stfu and distribute the ball and try forgetting to
>>be the third man into completed tackles, you can't give that cheap
>>posession away in September. I figure he's incapable of changing
>>though. Pity PJ seems to be out of form, favour or both.
>>
> Well, if the refs are starting to crack down on the smartarses and
> backchatters, that can't be a bad thing, provided they do warn the
> serial offenders under special scrutiny, and provided they're
> consistent.
>
> Not holding my breath.

Here we go again with defending the players and bagging the refs. It's just
human nature to remember things that someone does. It seems it's only OK
for coaches and players to say "this ref is tough on us around the ruck and
should cut us some slack" etc etc, but not OK for refs to identify trouble
makers.

As you said, Mike, it's not a bad thing. Makes the job easier. Take Dave
Taylor for example. Back in school he was always going early off the line
and at marker. Still the same now.

coops

"Geraint Vincent }:c{»" <removefirst_asrl_gv@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:WoWdnZYY6s_ohF7VnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@netspace.net .au...
>
> "Mike Burke" <mburke@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
> news:g556c49jf9h60jq3d0e6qai83vnoto67vl@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:30:44 -0700 (PDT), "'n" <iangeorgeau@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sep 5, 8:40 pm, "coops" <pdcoo...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>> You can f**k off now - we don't need deadshits like you. I would settle
>>>> for
>>>> a loss if it meant not having you playing for the Broncos. You will fit
>>>> in
>>>> well at the Dogs - they need another grub to partner Morrin.
>>>
>>>Ennis is a Dill, I mean the ref apparently warned him prior to kick-
>>>off that he was marked by officials.
>>>
>>>I don't like the sound of that, and I'm surprised no-one picked this
>>>up and ran with it in here; it's clear that officials are targeting
>>>specific players. McKinnon must've been on 'ref-watch' to have copped
>>>his puzzling suspension this week; it seems the ref's are cracking
>>>down on smartarses and backchatters.
>>>
>>>Ennis just needs to stfu and distribute the ball and try forgetting to
>>>be the third man into completed tackles, you can't give that cheap
>>>posession away in September. I figure he's incapable of changing
>>>though. Pity PJ seems to be out of form, favour or both.
>>>
>> Well, if the refs are starting to crack down on the smartarses and
>> backchatters, that can't be a bad thing, provided they do warn the
>> serial offenders under special scrutiny, and provided they're
>> consistent.
>>
>> Not holding my breath.
>
> Here we go again with defending the players and bagging the refs. It's
> just human nature to remember things that someone does. It seems it's
> only OK for coaches and players to say "this ref is tough on us around the
> ruck and should cut us some slack" etc etc, but not OK for refs to
> identify trouble makers.
>

I have no problem with referees cracking down on players who step over the
line, but surely EVERY player starts a game with a clean slate, and everyone
should be afforded the same number of warnings. If for example, Ennis did it
twice and got sin binned after the second one, then the same punishment
should apply to every player. I have a problem with referees singling out
players before a game. By all means say you will be watching different
things, but you have to be fair. If you are penalising for one thing for a
serial offender, then you have to penalise it for all players. I just think,
that in the game in this day and age, there are lots of things the officials
miss. That isn't their fault totally, as you say, they are only human and
they will miss things - the same as players will miss things, or the drop
kick commentators miss things. If you want an example of commentators
bagging the officials or being perfect, watch the gridiron - they are all
over the officials, even if they have the benefit of five replays before the
officials.

> As you said, Mike, it's not a bad thing. Makes the job easier. Take Dave
> Taylor for example. Back in school he was always going early off the line
> and at marker. Still the same now.

This then becomes a subject that maybe Robert Finch needs to address with
the Broncos, and for other clubs for other players. But then, with that, we
may have particular referees penalising some players, and not all players,
for what is an offence for all players. I know what you are saying though.

Just curious though GV, I know the referees and touchies are only doing what
the rules say they need to look at, but to me, I think we need to address
some issues in the game. I watched the Qld Cup yesterday, and was a bit
disappointed that the officials are taking the tackling of a kicker a bit
far. Maybe we need to make a rule, that you cannot touch the kicker, but
also need to protect the ball carrier/receiver from a kick. Maybe we need to
adopt the fair catch idea - where the player signals they will grab the ball
and not run after it. I thought the referee erred yesterday, but hey it
wasn't his fault, he only did what the rule makers want. I think that sucks.
>

Ian George

Mike Burke wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:30:44 -0700 (PDT), "'n" <iangeorgeau@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 5, 8:40 pm, "coops" <pdcoo...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>> You can f**k off now - we don't need deadshits like you. I would
>>> settle for a loss if it meant not having you playing for the
>>> Broncos. You will fit in well at the Dogs - they need another grub
>>> to partner Morrin.
>>
>> Ennis is a Dill, I mean the ref apparently warned him prior to kick-
>> off that he was marked by officials.
>>
>> I don't like the sound of that, and I'm surprised no-one picked this
>> up and ran with it in here; it's clear that officials are targeting
>> specific players. McKinnon must've been on 'ref-watch' to have copped
>> his puzzling suspension this week; it seems the ref's are cracking
>> down on smartarses and backchatters.
>>
>> Ennis just needs to stfu and distribute the ball and try forgetting
>> to be the third man into completed tackles, you can't give that cheap
>> posession away in September. I figure he's incapable of changing
>> though. Pity PJ seems to be out of form, favour or both.
>>
> Well, if the refs are starting to crack down on the smartarses and
> backchatters, that can't be a bad thing, provided they do warn the
> serial offenders under special scrutiny, and provided they're
> consistent.

Yeah, although Ennis (or Lockyer to relay to Ennis) did at least get a
warning at the kick-off apparently. I think it is odd if ref's are going to
start trotting around with hit-lists for certain players, what's wrong with
reffing what is in front of them?

'n
>
> Not holding my breath.
>
> Mique

Ian George

Geraint Vincent }:c{» wrote:
> "Mike Burke" <mburke@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
> news:g556c49jf9h60jq3d0e6qai83vnoto67vl@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:30:44 -0700 (PDT), "'n" <iangeorgeau@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 5, 8:40 pm, "coops" <pdcoo...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>> You can f**k off now - we don't need deadshits like you. I would
>>>> settle for
>>>> a loss if it meant not having you playing for the Broncos. You
>>>> will fit in
>>>> well at the Dogs - they need another grub to partner Morrin.
>>>
>>> Ennis is a Dill, I mean the ref apparently warned him prior to kick-
>>> off that he was marked by officials.
>>>
>>> I don't like the sound of that, and I'm surprised no-one picked this
>>> up and ran with it in here; it's clear that officials are targeting
>>> specific players. McKinnon must've been on 'ref-watch' to have
>>> copped his puzzling suspension this week; it seems the ref's are
>>> cracking down on smartarses and backchatters.
>>>
>>> Ennis just needs to stfu and distribute the ball and try forgetting
>>> to be the third man into completed tackles, you can't give that
>>> cheap posession away in September. I figure he's incapable of
>>> changing though. Pity PJ seems to be out of form, favour or both.
>>>
>> Well, if the refs are starting to crack down on the smartarses and
>> backchatters, that can't be a bad thing, provided they do warn the
>> serial offenders under special scrutiny, and provided they're
>> consistent.
>>
>> Not holding my breath.
>
> Here we go again with defending the players and bagging the refs. It's
> just human nature to remember things that someone does. It
> seems it's only OK for coaches and players to say "this ref is tough
> on us around the ruck and should cut us some slack" etc etc, but not
> OK for refs to identify trouble makers.

It's nearly as bad as the Manly conspiracy.

I'm not bagging the ref's yet, just commenting that they seem to have
shifted the goalposts on certain types of irritating player behaviour. I'm
not even saying that is a bad thing, I think the refs want to cut out any
dialogue with players other than the captain, that's how it should always
be, imo. Why can't they just apply the rules to every player every week? Why
do we need a hitlist of players that have tried their patience? I just find
it puzzling that they need to bother with that at all, really.

> As you said, Mike, it's not a bad thing. Makes the job easier. Take
> Dave Taylor for example. Back in school he was always going early
> off the line and at marker. Still the same now.

Obviously your lot are waiting for him to penalise himself.

'n

Sir Oswald P Wrong

On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 05:48:17 GMT, "Ian George" <ianwho@yugswen.com>
wrote:

>Mike Burke wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:30:44 -0700 (PDT), "'n" <iangeorgeau@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 5, 8:40 pm, "coops" <pdcoo...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>> You can f**k off now - we don't need deadshits like you. I would
>>>> settle for a loss if it meant not having you playing for the
>>>> Broncos. You will fit in well at the Dogs - they need another grub
>>>> to partner Morrin.
>>>
>>> Ennis is a Dill, I mean the ref apparently warned him prior to kick-
>>> off that he was marked by officials.
>>>
>>> I don't like the sound of that, and I'm surprised no-one picked this
>>> up and ran with it in here; it's clear that officials are targeting
>>> specific players. McKinnon must've been on 'ref-watch' to have copped
>>> his puzzling suspension this week; it seems the ref's are cracking
>>> down on smartarses and backchatters.
>>>
>>> Ennis just needs to stfu and distribute the ball and try forgetting
>>> to be the third man into completed tackles, you can't give that cheap
>>> posession away in September. I figure he's incapable of changing
>>> though. Pity PJ seems to be out of form, favour or both.
>>>
>> Well, if the refs are starting to crack down on the smartarses and
>> backchatters, that can't be a bad thing, provided they do warn the
>> serial offenders under special scrutiny, and provided they're
>> consistent.
>
>Yeah, although Ennis (or Lockyer to relay to Ennis) did at least get a
>warning at the kick-off apparently. I think it is odd if ref's are going to
>start trotting around with hit-lists for certain players,

The fact that the refotangs are now openly admitting to bias is a good
thing in my opinion. We have often seen evidence of it and in the past
referees have always said 'no, we are not targeting specific players,
we just do our job' when in fact we know that referees, especially
Aussie referees are on a par with professional wrestling officials as
far as credibility goes.

What these numbnuts are forgetting is that the essence of being fair
is to be seen to be fair.

It just shows that referees are as stupid as they look. By admitting
to having a list of players who are being singled out for special
attention they have opened the door for a club to finally take the
issue out of the kangaroo court and sue officials for this kind of
corrupt behavior.

Intimidating a player before a match starts by telling him he is out
for special attention is not a level playing field and harassment of
players like this reeks of match fixing.

Telling a player he is in for special attention is not different from
telling a player he isn't going to be watched. For any system of
discipline to be credible natural justice must be allowed to prevail,
this is clearly yet one more example of where natural justice in
Ausfailure means - 'we are out to get you and we really don't care how
we do it, bend over and get ready for the pineapple'.

Imagine if a player like Andrew Johns for example was told 'You are
not going to be drug tested after your next international match'.

The guy could then load up on banned drugs and party his arse off and
break every rule in the book with total and complete immunity and
rugby league would risk becoming a laughing stock.

This kind of interference in a players performance is totally corrupt
and would it would be shocking in any other sport than Aussie rugby
league. Sadly corruption like this is an everyday ockerance in the
game.

One only has to look at the laughable shafting of Wade McKiwi to see
how the NR-Hell singles out players for special attention in order to
manipulate the results of games.

Yes it is corrupt.

Yes it is cheating.

Yes it is obvious.

Yes, it is an Australian cultural thing.

>what's wrong with
>reffing what is in front of them?
>

Reeks of fairness.

HTH

>'n
>>
>> Not holding my breath.
>>
>> Mique
>

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Oswald P Wrong
World Champion Tipster.