The Cotter Revelation

24th April 2008, 02:10 PM

"It is generally accepted that Cotter was shot on October 31, 1917, by
a Turk after the famous charge at Beersheba by the 12th and 4th
Australian Light Horse regiments. But in his book to be published in
October, Sproul and co-author Max Bonnell advance a new theory: that
the 32-year-old was fatally wounded when a Turk prisoner committed an
act of perfidy. 'I have felt driven, over time, to get the story right
and to tell it,' Sproul said."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...001505,00.html

This volume is definitely on my wish list.

24th April 2008, 08:07 PM

<rodney.ulyate@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f7df2500-bb05-46f1-9481-111fab82008d@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> "It is generally accepted that Cotter was shot on October 31, 1917, by
> a Turk after the famous charge at Beersheba by the 12th and 4th
> Australian Light Horse regiments. But in his book to be published in
> October, Sproul and co-author Max Bonnell advance a new theory: that
> the 32-year-old was fatally wounded when a Turk prisoner committed an
> act of perfidy. 'I have felt driven, over time, to get the story right
> and to tell it,' Sproul said."
>
> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...001505,00.html
>
> This volume is definitely on my wish list.

Off topic- my grandfather fought at Beersheeba. He wasn't part of the charge
(he was the 1st Light Horse)- he died quite a few years back so I can't ask
him

24th April 2008, 11:45 PM

Unless I am much mistaken, this is not the first biography of Cotter.
I remember someone -- it might have been me -- posting a link to
another in the Bodyline thread.

25th April 2008, 09:55 AM

On Apr 23, 10

0*pm, rodney.uly...@gmail.com wrote:
> "It is generally accepted that Cotter was shot on October 31, 1917, by
> a Turk after the famous charge at Beersheba by the 12th and 4th
> Australian Light Horse regiments. But in his book to be published in
> October, Sproul and co-author Max Bonnell advance a new theory: that
> the 32-year-old was fatally wounded when a Turk prisoner committed an
> act of perfidy. 'I have felt driven, over time, to get the story right
> and to tell it,' Sproul said."
>
> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...9923-5001505,0...
>

Supposedly, Cotter had a premonition about his death. Any way here is
a list of Test cricketers who died while on active duty.

Boer War:
JJ Ferris (Aus/Eng) - Died of typhoid while serving with the British
forces in Durban, South Africa

WWI:
C Blythe (Eng) - killed in action at Passchendale, Belgium
A Cotter (Aus) - at Beersheba, Palestine while with the Australian
Light Horse (see above for details)
RHM Hands (SAf) - died of war wounds at Bethune, France
KL Hutchings (Eng) - killed in action at Ginchy, France
EB Lundie (SAf) - killed in action near Passchendale, Belgium
RO Schwarz (SAf) - died of influenza at Etaples, France
GC White (SAf) - died of war wounds at Gaza, Palestine

WWII:
AW Briscoe (SAf) - killed in action during the Abyssinian campaign at
present day Kombolcha, Ehiopia
(two other South African cricketer served with him - B Mitchell and RE
Greiveson)
ABC Langton (SAf) - killed in an air crash near Maiduguri, Nigeria or
Accra, Gold Coast
K Farnes (Eng) - killed in active service while flying at Chipping
Warden, Oxfordshire, England
RG Gregory (Aus) - died in active service with RAAF near Ghafargaon,
Bengal, India
GB Legge (Eng) - killed in action in air at Brampord Speke, Devon,
England
DAR Moloney (NZ) - died in a POW camp at El Alamein, Egypt
GG Macaulay (Eng) - died in active service at Sullom Voe, Shetland
Islands, Scotland
H Verity (Eng) - died of war wounds in a POW camp at Caserta, Sicily,
Itlay

I wonder whether any one has a list of Test cricketers who survived a
POW camp. The only player I know of is Shujauddin (Pak) who was
captured in East Pakistan and spent some time in an Indian camp.

aslam
GO CUBS!!!

25th April 2008, 02:22 PM

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:10

8 -0700 (PDT), Aslam Siddiqui
<asiddiqu@iupui.edu> wrote:

>On Apr 23, 10

0*pm, rodney.uly...@gmail.com wrote:
>> "It is generally accepted that Cotter was shot on October 31, 1917, by
>> a Turk after the famous charge at Beersheba by the 12th and 4th
>> Australian Light Horse regiments. But in his book to be published in
>> October, Sproul and co-author Max Bonnell advance a new theory: that
>> the 32-year-old was fatally wounded when a Turk prisoner committed an
>> act of perfidy. 'I have felt driven, over time, to get the story right
>> and to tell it,' Sproul said."
>>
>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...9923-5001505,0...
>>
>
>Supposedly, Cotter had a premonition about his death. Any way here is
>a list of Test cricketers who died while on active duty.

He was in the trenches in WWI, it would be unusual if he didn't...
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws
newsunspammelaws@iinet.unspamme.net.au

25th April 2008, 05:18 PM

"Mad Hamish" <newsunspammelaws@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote in message
news:ctg214ljprfpkbm0cjoiges6a5r6qhdtrr@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:10

8 -0700 (PDT), Aslam Siddiqui
> <asiddiqu@iupui.edu> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 23, 10

0 pm, rodney.uly...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> "It is generally accepted that Cotter was shot on October 31, 1917, by
>>> a Turk after the famous charge at Beersheba by the 12th and 4th
>>> Australian Light Horse regiments. But in his book to be published in
>>> October, Sproul and co-author Max Bonnell advance a new theory: that
>>> the 32-year-old was fatally wounded when a Turk prisoner committed an
>>> act of perfidy. 'I have felt driven, over time, to get the story right
>>> and to tell it,' Sproul said."
>>>
>>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...9923-5001505,0...
>>>
>>
>>Supposedly, Cotter had a premonition about his death. Any way here is
>>a list of Test cricketers who died while on active duty.
>
> He was in the trenches in WWI, it would be unusual if he didn't...
> --
There weren't many trenches that were manned by the Light Horse. (Apart from
Gallipoli where they fought as infantry- no horses).

25th April 2008, 11:18 PM

On Apr 25, 5:10 am, Aslam Siddiqui <asidd...@iupui.edu> wrote:
> On Apr 23, 10

0 pm, rodney.uly...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > "It is generally accepted that Cotter was shot on October 31, 1917, by
> > a Turk after the famous charge at Beersheba by the 12th and 4th
> > Australian Light Horse regiments. But in his book to be published in
> > October, Sproul and co-author Max Bonnell advance a new theory: that
> > the 32-year-old was fatally wounded when a Turk prisoner committed an
> > act of perfidy. 'I have felt driven, over time, to get the story right
> > and to tell it,' Sproul said."
>
> >http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...9923-5001505,0...
>
> Supposedly, Cotter had a premonition about his death. Any way here is
> a list of Test cricketers who died while on active duty.
>
> Boer War:
> JJ Ferris (Aus/Eng) - Died of typhoid while serving with the British
> forces in Durban, South Africa
>
> WWI:
> C Blythe (Eng) - killed in action at Passchendale, Belgium
> A Cotter (Aus) - at Beersheba, Palestine while with the Australian
> Light Horse (see above for details)
> RHM Hands (SAf) - died of war wounds at Bethune, France
> KL Hutchings (Eng) - killed in action at Ginchy, France
> EB Lundie (SAf) - killed in action near Passchendale, Belgium
> RO Schwarz (SAf) - died of influenza at Etaples, France
> GC White (SAf) - died of war wounds at Gaza, Palestine
>
> WWII:
> AW Briscoe (SAf) - killed in action during the Abyssinian campaign at
> present day Kombolcha, Ehiopia
> (two other South African cricketer served with him - B Mitchell and RE
> Greiveson)
> ABC Langton (SAf) - killed in an air crash near Maiduguri, Nigeria or
> Accra, Gold Coast
> K Farnes (Eng) - killed in active service while flying at Chipping
> Warden, Oxfordshire, England
> RG Gregory (Aus) - died in active service with RAAF near Ghafargaon,
> Bengal, India
> GB Legge (Eng) - killed in action in air at Brampord Speke, Devon,
> England
> DAR Moloney (NZ) - died in a POW camp at El Alamein, Egypt
> GG Macaulay (Eng) - died in active service at Sullom Voe, Shetland
> Islands, Scotland
> H Verity (Eng) - died of war wounds in a POW camp at Caserta, Sicily,
> Itlay
>
> I wonder whether any one has a list of Test cricketers who survived a
> POW camp. The only player I know of is Shujauddin (Pak) who was
> captured in East Pakistan and spent some time in an Indian camp.
>
> aslam
> GO CUBS!!!

A Google search indicates that there were two others at least:

Ben Barnett (Aussie 'keeper on 38 Ashes tour) and Bill Bowes
(Yorkshire & England) spent some time as POWs.

Cheers
Ross

26th April 2008, 02:20 AM

<jessopus6@email.com> wrote in message
news:a418153c-a470-488e-bc71-88652d32dc4d@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 25, 5:10 am, Aslam Siddiqui <asidd...@iupui.edu> wrote:
>> On Apr 23, 10

0 pm, rodney.uly...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > "It is generally accepted that Cotter was shot on October 31, 1917, by
>> > a Turk after the famous charge at Beersheba by the 12th and 4th
>> > Australian Light Horse regiments. But in his book to be published in
>> > October, Sproul and co-author Max Bonnell advance a new theory: that
>> > the 32-year-old was fatally wounded when a Turk prisoner committed an
>> > act of perfidy. 'I have felt driven, over time, to get the story right
>> > and to tell it,' Sproul said."
>>
>> >http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...9923-5001505,0...
>>
>> Supposedly, Cotter had a premonition about his death. Any way here is
>> a list of Test cricketers who died while on active duty.
>>
>> Boer War:
>> JJ Ferris (Aus/Eng) - Died of typhoid while serving with the British
>> forces in Durban, South Africa
>>
>> WWI:
>> C Blythe (Eng) - killed in action at Passchendale, Belgium
>> A Cotter (Aus) - at Beersheba, Palestine while with the Australian
>> Light Horse (see above for details)
>> RHM Hands (SAf) - died of war wounds at Bethune, France
>> KL Hutchings (Eng) - killed in action at Ginchy, France
>> EB Lundie (SAf) - killed in action near Passchendale, Belgium
>> RO Schwarz (SAf) - died of influenza at Etaples, France
>> GC White (SAf) - died of war wounds at Gaza, Palestine
>>
>> WWII:
>> AW Briscoe (SAf) - killed in action during the Abyssinian campaign at
>> present day Kombolcha, Ehiopia
>> (two other South African cricketer served with him - B Mitchell and RE
>> Greiveson)
>> ABC Langton (SAf) - killed in an air crash near Maiduguri, Nigeria or
>> Accra, Gold Coast
>> K Farnes (Eng) - killed in active service while flying at Chipping
>> Warden, Oxfordshire, England
>> RG Gregory (Aus) - died in active service with RAAF near Ghafargaon,
>> Bengal, India
>> GB Legge (Eng) - killed in action in air at Brampord Speke, Devon,
>> England
>> DAR Moloney (NZ) - died in a POW camp at El Alamein, Egypt
>> GG Macaulay (Eng) - died in active service at Sullom Voe, Shetland
>> Islands, Scotland
>> H Verity (Eng) - died of war wounds in a POW camp at Caserta, Sicily,
>> Itlay
>>
>> I wonder whether any one has a list of Test cricketers who survived a
>> POW camp. The only player I know of is Shujauddin (Pak) who was
>> captured in East Pakistan and spent some time in an Indian camp.
>>
>> aslam
>> GO CUBS!!!
>
>
> A Google search indicates that there were two others at least:
>
> Ben Barnett (Aussie 'keeper on 38 Ashes tour) and Bill Bowes
> (Yorkshire & England) spent some time as POWs.
>
> Cheers
> Ross
>

Nitpick. I think most of these were ex Test cricketers. We could also have a
post about prospective Test cricketers.

26th April 2008, 02:20 AM

On Apr 25, 10:24 pm, "Cicero" <moofi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> <jessop...@email.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a418153c-a470-488e-bc71-88652d32dc4d@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 25, 5:10 am, Aslam Siddiqui <asidd...@iupui.edu> wrote:
> >> On Apr 23, 10

0 pm, rodney.uly...@gmail.com wrote:
>
<snip>

> >> I wonder whether any one has a list of Test cricketers who survived a
> >> POW camp. The only player I know of is Shujauddin (Pak) who was
> >> captured in East Pakistan and spent some time in an Indian camp.
>
> >> aslam
> >> GO CUBS!!!
>
> > A Google search indicates that there were two others at least:
>
> > Ben Barnett (Aussie 'keeper on 38 Ashes tour) and Bill Bowes
> > (Yorkshire & England) spent some time as POWs.
>
> > Cheers
> > Ross
>
> Nitpick. I think most of these were ex Test cricketers. We could also have a
> post about prospective Test cricketers.

Sorry, wasn't nit-picking.
Simply adding two more names to that of Shujauddin as players who were
POWs but survived.

26th April 2008, 07:40 AM

In article <a418153c-a470-488e-bc71-88652d32dc4d@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<jessopus6@email.com> wrote:
>On Apr 25, 5:10 am, Aslam Siddiqui <asidd...@iupui.edu> wrote:
>> GG Macaulay (Eng) - died in active service at Sullom Voe, Shetland
>> Islands, Scotland

There ought to be a story there! Sullom Voe wasn't exactly
a front-line hotbed of the war. Sadly, it seems he died of pneumonia,
which suggests that the weather rather than action was the problem.
"Inactive service"?

[...]
>> I wonder whether any one has a list of Test cricketers who survived a
>> POW camp.
>
>A Google search indicates that there were two others at least:
>Ben Barnett (Aussie 'keeper on 38 Ashes tour) and Bill Bowes
>(Yorkshire & England) spent some time as POWs.

If anyone wants to research this, the war-time Wisdens have
quite detailed info, along the lines of "XXX, who was reported
missing, is now known to be safe and in POW camp in Italy", or
whatever. My own collection of Wisdens is not complete, sadly.

--
Andy Walker
Nottingham