Dyna Soar

Trevor Wilson wrote:

> My comment stands: Why praise some guy with a talent for hitting a
> ball with a lump of wood

Because he was the best in the world at doing it and helped the average
Aussie Joe Bloggs survive the depression by giving him/her a sense of
well-being in desperate times.

> and ignore the developer of Penicillin?

Who's ignoring him? You're comparing apples and oranges, both men, however,
were tops in their field.



--
Dyna

All rights reserved. All wrongs avenged.

Toby Ponsenby

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 103:55 +0800, Dyna Soar wrote:

> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>> My comment stands: Why praise some guy with a talent for hitting a
>> ball with a lump of wood
>
> Because he was the best in the world at doing it and helped the average
> Aussie Joe Bloggs survive the depression by giving him/her a sense of
> well-being in desperate times.

Hmmm - and this time round - what'll it be?
Plasma TV and Idol?
Of course.
Do we really need a Bradman to obscure what's really happening?

>
>> and ignore the developer of Penicillin?
>
> Who's ignoring him? You're comparing apples and oranges, both men, however,
> were tops in their field.

Straw-man introduction duly noted.
But it's a decent shot, is it not?



--
Toby

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The fervid activities of the shamelessly self-obsessed,
brought to your living-room by shameless self-promoters.
Bonus - it's paid for by the self-deluded.

Horry

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:36:28 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>> ummm, well everyone I talk to of that generation agrees that he did a
>> alot for Australia in the years of the depression.
>
> **Those people you spoke to probably owe their lives to anti-biotics.
> There's a good reason why Florey received a Nobel Prize and Bradman did
> not.

The "good reason" Bradman didn't win a Nobel Prize is because there's no
Nobel Prize for Cricket. If there was such a Nobel Prize, he probably
would have won it.

> Hitting a ball with a lump of wood, is not generally regarded as
> something which is of earth-shattering importance.

Then what the hell are you complaining about? Or did you just
accidentally contradict your argument?

Trevor Wilson

"Dyna Soar" <dyna.soarREMOVE.THIS@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
news:6hucg2Fo0us8U1@mid.individual.net...
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>> My comment stands: Why praise some guy with a talent for hitting a
>> ball with a lump of wood
>
> Because he was the best in the world at doing it and helped the average
> Aussie Joe Bloggs survive the depression by giving him/her a sense of
> well-being in desperate times.

**And again: Big deal. Hitting a little red ball wiuth a lump of wood is not
the wonderful acheivement that some seem to imagine.

>
>> and ignore the developer of Penicillin?
>
> Who's ignoring him?

**The original poster. Celebrating some guy who was talented at hitting a
little red ball with a lump of wood, whilst ignoring (say) Howard Florey is
just sad. As an Australian, I find the veneration of those who can hit a
little red ball (or throw that little red ball), whilst ignoring those who
REALLY contribute to society as kind of sad. Sad, that so much talent goes
unrecognised. Almost every Australian alive today, owes his or her health
and longevity to Howard Florey. Yet, here we have someone suggesting that we
celebrate the 100th birthday of some dead guy who could hit a little red
ball with a lump of wood. "Clever country"? Not bloody likely. Australia is
a nation of morons. We venerate those who develop their physical skills and
ignore those who affect all of us, by using their intellect.

You're comparing apples and oranges, both men, however,
> were tops in their field.

**Very possibly. One was directly responsible for saving the lives and
enhancing the health of billions of humans (one of whom was probably Don
Bradman) and one was very capable at hitting a little red ball with a lump
of wood. It's more like comparing apples with bars of gold.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Horry

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:31:31 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> "Dyna Soar" <dyna.soarREMOVE.THIS@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
> news:6hucg2Fo0us8U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> My comment stands: Why praise some guy with a talent for hitting a
>>> ball with a lump of wood
>>
>> Because he was the best in the world at doing it and helped the average
>> Aussie Joe Bloggs survive the depression by giving him/her a sense of
>> well-being in desperate times.
>
> **And again: Big deal. Hitting a little red ball wiuth a lump of wood is
> not the wonderful acheivement that some seem to imagine.

You're being absolutely ridiculous.

During Keating's "recession we had to have", were comforted by the sense
of well-being given to you by Florey's wonderful achievement in
discovering penicillin?


>>> and ignore the developer of Penicillin?
>>
>> Who's ignoring him?
>
> **The original poster. Celebrating some guy who was talented at hitting
> a little red ball with a lump of wood,

As opposed to (say) putting together a website about audio speakers?


> whilst ignoring (say) Howard Florey is just sad.

No-one's "ignoring" Florey. We just choose not to discuss him at every
available opportunity.


> As an Australian, I find the veneration of those who
> can hit a little red ball (or throw that little red ball), whilst
> ignoring those who REALLY contribute to society as kind of sad.

Less than an hour ago, you said "[h]itting a ball with a lump of wood, is
not generally regarded as something which is of earth-shattering
importance".


> Sad,
> that so much talent goes unrecognised. Almost every Australian alive
> today, owes his or her health and longevity to Howard Florey.

And if you had your way, doomed to spend our long years "venerating"
Florey to the exclusion of all else.


> Yet, here
> we have someone suggesting that we celebrate the 100th birthday of some
> dead guy who could hit a little red ball with a lump of wood. "Clever
> country"? Not bloody likely. Australia is a nation of morons. We
> venerate those who develop their physical skills and ignore those who
> affect all of us, by using their intellect.

No-one's ignoring him.

In fact, there's a building named after him just down the road from me in
Adelaide.


> You're comparing apples and oranges, both men, however,
>> were tops in their field.
>
> **Very possibly. One was directly responsible for saving the lives and
> enhancing the health of billions of humans (one of whom was probably Don
> Bradman) and one was very capable at hitting a little red ball with a
> lump of wood. It's more like comparing apples with bars of gold.

And the world would be poorer place without either of them.

Timbo

Trevor Wilson wrote:
> **Very possibly. One was directly responsible for saving the lives and
> enhancing the health of billions of humans (one of whom was probably Don
> Bradman) and one was very capable at hitting a little red ball with a lump
> of wood. It's more like comparing apples with bars of gold.
>
Surely anyone can see that high-profile sportsmen/woman and athletes are
a good thing for health. They encourage people to get out there and do
exercise. Considering the problem we heart disease that we see now,
exercise could do more for health than any scientific advancement. It
takes a narrow mind to disregard the link.

Horry

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:49:43 +0000, Horry wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:31:31 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>> "Dyna Soar" <dyna.soarREMOVE.THIS@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
>> news:6hucg2Fo0us8U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> My comment stands: Why praise some guy with a talent for hitting a
>>>> ball with a lump of wood
>>>
>>> Because he was the best in the world at doing it and helped the
>>> average Aussie Joe Bloggs survive the depression by giving him/her a
>>> sense of well-being in desperate times.
>>
>> **And again: Big deal. Hitting a little red ball wiuth a lump of wood
>> is not the wonderful acheivement that some seem to imagine.
>
> You're being absolutely ridiculous.
>
> During Keating's "recession we had to have", were comforted by the sense
> of well-being given to you by Florey's wonderful achievement in
> discovering penicillin?
>
>
>>>> and ignore the developer of Penicillin?
>>>
>>> Who's ignoring him?
>>
>> **The original poster. Celebrating some guy who was talented at hitting
>> a little red ball with a lump of wood,
>
> As opposed to (say) putting together a website about audio speakers?
>
>
>> whilst ignoring (say) Howard Florey is just sad.
>
> No-one's "ignoring" Florey. We just choose not to discuss him at every
> available opportunity.
>
>
>> As an Australian, I find the veneration of those who can hit a little
>> red ball (or throw that little red ball), whilst ignoring those who
>> REALLY contribute to society as kind of sad.
>
> Less than an hour ago, you said "[h]itting a ball with a lump of wood,
> is not generally regarded as something which is of earth-shattering
> importance".
>
>
>> Sad,
>> that so much talent goes unrecognised. Almost every Australian alive
>> today, owes his or her health and longevity to Howard Florey.
>
> And if you had your way, doomed to spend our long years "venerating"
> Florey to the exclusion of all else.
>
>
>> Yet, here
>> we have someone suggesting that we celebrate the 100th birthday of some
>> dead guy who could hit a little red ball with a lump of wood. "Clever
>> country"? Not bloody likely. Australia is a nation of morons. We
>> venerate those who develop their physical skills and ignore those who
>> affect all of us, by using their intellect.
>
> No-one's ignoring him.
>
> In fact, there's a building named after him just down the road from me
> in Adelaide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_...,_Baron_Florey

"Having been knighted in 1944, Florey was made a life peer in 1965 as
Baron Florey, of Adelaide in the Commonwealth of Australia and of Marston
in the County of Oxford. This was a higher honour than the knighthood
awarded to penicillin's discoverer, Sir Alexander Fleming, and recognised
the monumental work Florey did in making penicillin available in
sufficient quantities to save millions of lives in the war, despite the
doubts of Fleming that this was feasible."

Florey's life peerage was also a higher honour than that awarded to Sir
Donald Bradman.

gumby

I agree, Trevor has have everything handed to him on a plate.
I can't stand him.

Trevor Wilson

"Timbo" <timbo@noreply.invalid> wrote in message
news:48ba0699$0$7626$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> **Very possibly. One was directly responsible for saving the lives and
>> enhancing the health of billions of humans (one of whom was probably Don
>> Bradman) and one was very capable at hitting a little red ball with a
>> lump of wood. It's more like comparing apples with bars of gold.
>>
> Surely anyone can see that high-profile sportsmen/woman and athletes are a
> good thing for health.

**Your theory does not hold water. And I stress that it is a theory. Here in
2008, we have record obesity in the population, record numbers of diabetes
sufferers and all manner of diseases related to LACK of exercise. All at a
time when we have TV channels which are dedicated to showing record numbers
of hours of sports. Back in Bradman's day, the only time people got to see
him play was at the sports ground, or on news reels.

They encourage people to get out there and do
> exercise.

**I fail to see any evidence to back your theory. Australia is enjoying an
epidemic of diabetes and other diseases related to lack of exercise.

Considering the problem we heart disease that we see now,
> exercise could do more for health than any scientific advancement.

**IT could, IF people got out an actually exercised, instead of watching
sprt on TV. Sadly, they choose the latter.

It
> takes a narrow mind to disregard the link.

**It takes a giant leap of faith to assume that people see sports people
(like Bradman) and rush out to play sport.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Timbo

Trevor Wilson wrote:
> "Timbo" <timbo@noreply.invalid> wrote in message
> news:48ba0699$0$7626$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> **Very possibly. One was directly responsible for saving the lives and
>>> enhancing the health of billions of humans (one of whom was probably Don
>>> Bradman) and one was very capable at hitting a little red ball with a
>>> lump of wood. It's more like comparing apples with bars of gold.
>>>
>> Surely anyone can see that high-profile sportsmen/woman and athletes are a
>> good thing for health.
>
> **Your theory does not hold water. And I stress that it is a theory. Here in
> 2008, we have record obesity in the population, record numbers of diabetes
> sufferers and all manner of diseases related to LACK of exercise. All at a
> time when we have TV channels which are dedicated to showing record numbers
> of hours of sports. Back in Bradman's day, the only time people got to see
> him play was at the sports ground, or on news reels.
>
Oh, I'm sorry, but you are absolutely wrong. Yes, we do have high
obesity and diabetes, but considering that you can't compare today's
world to what it would be if we *didn't* have professional athletes,
then you're observation means little. I didn't say there was a
correlation between people watching sport on TV and playing sport.

> They encourage people to get out there and do
>> exercise.
>
> **I fail to see any evidence to back your theory. Australia is enjoying an
> epidemic of diabetes and other diseases related to lack of exercise.
>
Do you? Perhaps you should get out and talk to some young children
playing weekly sport and ask them why they do it. When I was at school,
ALL of the players in my cricket/football teams ALL wanted to grow up
and play for the same team as their sporting hero. Craig Johnstone was
an Australian who played football for Liverpool, and watching him win
the FA cup made me want to take up the sport, which I did, and 20 years
later, I still play twice a week. Again, if you cannot see that children
want to emulate their sporting heros, you are taking a narrow view. Why
do you think that in every country in the world, more children play the
sports in which their country perform well in? It is precisely because
their idols are most often from the same background, and they want to
emulate them.

> Considering the problem we heart disease that we see now,
>> exercise could do more for health than any scientific advancement.
>
> **IT could, IF people got out an actually exercised, instead of watching
> sprt on TV. Sadly, they choose the latter.
>
Who is "they"? I don't.

> It
>> takes a narrow mind to disregard the link.
>
> **It takes a giant leap of faith to assume that people see sports people
> (like Bradman) and rush out to play sport.
>
No, it takes a giant leap of common sense.