John_H

the_dawggie wrote:

>On Aug 29, 30*pm, Diesel Damo <Diesel_...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> Passed this out near Bathurst. Never seen a triple-tyred wheel before.
>>
>> <http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9665/2908200875lq3.jpg> (127KB)
>
>That looks like my truck you are driving :-)
>
>Yup, expensive. You don't want to know huge mine truck
>tyre costs.

Conventional truck tyres are relatively cheap by car standards.
Recently paid $2,860 for eight 11R22.5's... that's only $357.50 per
tyre. Oriential gaols turn 'em out by the truckload. ;-)

Mine trucks, which mostly stay in the mines, are something else!

--
John H

Bugalugs

Atheist Chaplain wrote:
> "John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
> news:ndgfb4ln21inm8eeup09975l5fpm6jkprm@4ax.com...
>> Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>>>
>>> have a look at the back of the truck, you can see the spreaders,
>>> Dollars to
>>> Donuts that its a phosphate spreader.
>>
>> Makes sense when I think a bit more about it.
>>
>> There's no sense in spreading phosphate on heavy soils with clay
>> content as it gets bound to the clay and ceases to be an available
>> nutrient. OTOH in those southern regions where they grow their crops
>> hydroponically and use the natural sand to hold 'em up it probably
>> works! ;-)
>>
>> Hence the need for ultra low tyre pressures (always best in sand).
>> ;-)
>>
>> --
>> John H
>
> I was thinking about this and the spreaders are also used for spreading
> gypsum to help break up clay soils (probably why it was in the area) and
> I have seen them spreading lime as well.
> I have to say, the tyre setup on that thing is pretty interesting,
> imagine the size of the studs, and imagine getting a flat on the inside
> rear :-)
>
Lot of you guy don't get out beyond the cities much. Its a Bulk or
Ground Spreader. Used for spreading lime or superphosphate without
having to resort the more expensive aerial topdressing.

jonz

John_H wrote:
> the_dawggie wrote:
>
>> On Aug 29, 30†pm, Diesel Damo <Diesel_...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> Passed this out near Bathurst. Never seen a triple-tyred wheel before.
>>>
>>> <http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9665/2908200875lq3.jpg> (127KB)
>> That looks like my truck you are driving :-)
>>
>> Yup, expensive. You don't want to know huge mine truck
>> tyre costs.
>
> Conventional truck tyres are relatively cheap by car standards.
> Recently paid $2,860 for eight 11R22.5's... that's only $357.50 per
> tyre. Oriential gaols turn 'em out by the truckload. ;-)

double coin ?...cheap but not nasty...:^)
>
> Mine trucks, which mostly stay in the mines, are something else!
>

Atheist Chaplain

"Bugalugs" <bugalugs67@netscape.net!> wrote in message
news:g99r5h$s6k$1@aioe.org...
> Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>> "John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> news:ndgfb4ln21inm8eeup09975l5fpm6jkprm@4ax.com...
>>> Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>>>>
>>>> have a look at the back of the truck, you can see the spreaders,
>>>> Dollars to
>>>> Donuts that its a phosphate spreader.
>>>
>>> Makes sense when I think a bit more about it.
>>>
>>> There's no sense in spreading phosphate on heavy soils with clay
>>> content as it gets bound to the clay and ceases to be an available
>>> nutrient. OTOH in those southern regions where they grow their crops
>>> hydroponically and use the natural sand to hold 'em up it probably
>>> works! ;-)
>>>
>>> Hence the need for ultra low tyre pressures (always best in sand).
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> John H
>>
>> I was thinking about this and the spreaders are also used for spreading
>> gypsum to help break up clay soils (probably why it was in the area) and
>> I have seen them spreading lime as well.
>> I have to say, the tyre setup on that thing is pretty interesting,
>> imagine the size of the studs, and imagine getting a flat on the inside
>> rear :-)
>>
> Lot of you guy don't get out beyond the cities much. Its a Bulk or Ground
> Spreader. Used for spreading lime or superphosphate without having to
> resort the more expensive aerial topdressing.

I thought that was what I said ??
also see the part about helping the FIL on his 10,000 acre farm, not so
close to the City I would imagine :-)

--
God made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom?

Daryl Walford

John_H wrote:
> the_dawggie wrote:
>
>> On Aug 29, 30 pm, Diesel Damo <Diesel_...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> Passed this out near Bathurst. Never seen a triple-tyred wheel before.
>>>
>>> <http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9665/2908200875lq3.jpg> (127KB)
>> That looks like my truck you are driving :-)
>>
>> Yup, expensive. You don't want to know huge mine truck
>> tyre costs.
>
> Conventional truck tyres are relatively cheap by car standards.
> Recently paid $2,860 for eight 11R22.5's... that's only $357.50 per
> tyre. Oriential gaols turn 'em out by the truckload. ;-)
>
Sounds like cheap and nasty junk that I wouldn't want on any truck I was
driving especially on the steer axle.
Nothing comes even close to Michelin quality and performance in truck
tyres although they are damn expensive.


Daryl

John_H

Daryl Walford wrote:
>John_H wrote:
>>
>> Conventional truck tyres are relatively cheap by car standards.
>> Recently paid $2,860 for eight 11R22.5's... that's only $357.50 per
>> tyre. Oriential gaols turn 'em out by the truckload. ;-)
>>
>Sounds like cheap and nasty junk that I wouldn't want on any truck I was
>driving especially on the steer axle.
>Nothing comes even close to Michelin quality and performance in truck
>tyres although they are damn expensive.

I'd be surprised if you couldn't buy 11R22.5 Michelins for less money
than quite a number of car tyre sizes (which was my original point).

However, no one I know is using Michelins on their steer wheels any
more (once upon a time everyone did, me included). Nothing like as
reliable as they used to be and way too expensive is an almost
unanimous opinion I hear regularly.

Conti on the steers and Double Coin everywhere else is a very popular
combination, and has been for some time. I'd also be very surprised
if Double Coin (Korean) aren't currently outselling all other brands
combined, by a very comfortable margin.

--
John H

Daryl Walford

John_H wrote:
> Daryl Walford wrote:
>> John_H wrote:
>>> Conventional truck tyres are relatively cheap by car standards.
>>> Recently paid $2,860 for eight 11R22.5's... that's only $357.50 per
>>> tyre. Oriential gaols turn 'em out by the truckload. ;-)
>>>
>> Sounds like cheap and nasty junk that I wouldn't want on any truck I was
>> driving especially on the steer axle.
>> Nothing comes even close to Michelin quality and performance in truck
>> tyres although they are damn expensive.
>
> I'd be surprised if you couldn't buy 11R22.5 Michelins for less money
> than quite a number of car tyre sizes (which was my original point).

Been a long time since I asked about the price of a truck tyre but the
last time I asked the Michelins were somewhere near $1000.00 ea.
>
> However, no one I know is using Michelins on their steer wheels any
> more (once upon a time everyone did, me included). Nothing like as
> reliable as they used to be and way too expensive is an almost
> unanimous opinion I hear regularly.
>
If there are cheaper tyres that perform ok I'm not surprised people use
them but I still doubt they perform or last as long as the Michelins.
The DAF had just done over 100,000klm when I quit driving trucks and all
the tyres (OE Michelin) still looked like new.
The second set of tyres I had on the Isuzu were Michelin and they
outlasted the OE Yokohama's by 60,000klms on the steer and 100,000 on
the drive, they were replaced by Bridgestones which constantly went out
of balance and wore in odd patterns and lasted a lot fewer klms than the
Michelins which didn't need balancing and wore out very evenly.


> Conti on the steers and Double Coin everywhere else is a very popular
> combination, and has been for some time. I'd also be very surprised
> if Double Coin (Korean) aren't currently outselling all other brands
> combined, by a very comfortable margin.
>

Is "Conti" short for Continental?
If so I don't what their truck tyres are like but I know than when I was
in the tractor business their tractor tyres were the worst garbage on
the market.



Daryl

John_H

Daryl Walford wrote:
>John_H wrote:
>
>> Conti on the steers and Double Coin everywhere else is a very popular
>> combination, and has been for some time. I'd also be very surprised
>> if Double Coin (Korean) aren't currently outselling all other brands
>> combined, by a very comfortable margin.
>>
>
>Is "Conti" short for Continental?

Yes.

>If so I don't what their truck tyres are like but I know than when I was
>in the tractor business their tractor tyres were the worst garbage on
>the market.

How times must have changed since the days when Henry switched from
iron wheels to rubber!

Continental tractor tyres (radials) now have an excellent reputation
being widely regarded as second only to Michelin (similar performance
but don't wear quite as well is a typical assessment).

Their motor cycle tyres had an excellent reputation years ago (I
usually ran one on the front of my old RD350 Yammie that got more than
the occasional track workout).

AFAIK their car tyres have always had a good reputation although I've
had no first hand experience.

They're now a very popular steer tyre on trucks, with Michelins having
gone into general disrepute. Personally I've never had a problem with
Michelin on trucks, but the rest get to replace 'em a lot more often
than I do (our two trucks don't do high mileages) so I listen to what
they tell me.

The last set of Michelins I had on the Dunny were absolute shit...
Japanese made and impossible to keep in balance. I also had problems
with ply separations on the last set I had on the F100 (didn't get to
wear out the tread on a single one of 'em). OTOH the set that came
with the Mazda ute are doing exceptionally well.

Now that Michelin tend be made almost anywhere (just like everything
else) I'd suspect that their quality control is now no better than
the best of the rest, and maybe not even as good in some cases.
Conti's are still manufactured in Europe AFAIK.

--
John H

John_H

John_H wrote:
>
>Conti on the steers and Double Coin everywhere else is a very popular
>combination, and has been for some time. I'd also be very surprised
>if Double Coin (Korean) aren't currently outselling all other brands
>combined, by a very comfortable margin.

My mistake. (Shoulda done the research before I posted.)

Double Coin are Chinese... they come out of the same factory as
Warrior tyres and Michelin. Shanghai Michelin Warrior Tire Co Ltd is
the manufacturer.

Michelin are currently manufactured in 75 different plants (or
thereabouts) worldwide.

--
John H

Daryl Walford

John_H wrote:
> Daryl Walford wrote:
>> John_H wrote:
>>
>>> Conti on the steers and Double Coin everywhere else is a very popular
>>> combination, and has been for some time. I'd also be very surprised
>>> if Double Coin (Korean) aren't currently outselling all other brands
>>> combined, by a very comfortable margin.
>>>
>> Is "Conti" short for Continental?
>
> Yes.
>
>> If so I don't what their truck tyres are like but I know than when I was
>> in the tractor business their tractor tyres were the worst garbage on
>> the market.
>
> How times must have changed since the days when Henry switched from
> iron wheels to rubber!
>
It has been a while but quite that long:-)

> Continental tractor tyres (radials) now have an excellent reputation
> being widely regarded as second only to Michelin (similar performance
> but don't wear quite as well is a typical assessment).
>

Amazing, they must have made some enormous changes, back in those days I
knew a few people that used Conti car tyres and they were quite good but
their tractor tyres were lucky to last a week in harsh conditions.


> Now that Michelin tend be made almost anywhere (just like everything
> else) I'd suspect that their quality control is now no better than
> the best of the rest, and maybe not even as good in some cases.
> Conti's are still manufactured in Europe AFAIK.
>
Michelin have always been a strange company to deal with but I have
always found their tyres to be of excellent quality, if they have let
their quality slip then more fool them as IMO it was their major selling
point.


Daryl