Sylvia Else

> Daryl Walford wrote:
>> Pit wrote:
>>> On Sep 1, 1:15 pm, jonz <f...@diesel.com> wrote:
>>>> Marty wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:485 +1000, RogerM wrote:
>>>>>> It would take too long for the scanning to read and process then
>>>>>> transfer that info for checking as you said. All the cars would
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>> stop to do it and that would be mayhem.
>>>>> You are talking out of your arsehole as usual.
>>>>> It takes just a few milliseconds to scan the plates and just a few
>>>>> milliseconds to send the data. A database query is also exceptionally
>>>>> fast. You would be looking at a latency for the whole show of a
>>>>> second or
>>>>> less.
>>>> yep, you`re on the money there....you can run, but you can`t hide.
>>>> at the end of xmas hols. this year, they set it up at Batemans
>>>> Bay.......huge amounts of traffic heading home, became a 2-3km
>>>> tailback,
>>>> as they pulled vehicles over and generally ****ed up traffic flow. on
>>>> one of the busiest traffic days of the year.....pleece farce did`nt
>>>> make
>>>> any friends that day. but then PR has never been their
>>>> forte`.............`
>>>
>>> Oh give me a break mate -- what ever happened to if you cant do the
>>> time dont do the crime END of Story
>>> It also thwarts those sort of plods who used to be great at fiyting
>>> up folks
>>
>> So you think punishing hundreds of people (wasting lots of their time)
>> is acceptable in the odd chance you may catch a few who are breaking
>> the law?
>> Personally I think it outrageous they do shit like that, I was once
>> stuck in a traffic jam on the Westgate Fwy in Melb for over an hour
>> because the police had set up a RBT and blocked the whole fwy, it was
>> a hot day and cars were overheating and so were many people, the cops
>> got lots of abuse and IMO they deserved all they got.
>> I am not against RBT but IMO they have to put a lot more thought into
>> the way they go about it, causing a massive traffic jam is crazy.
>
> It appears to me that the police may not have the power to act in that
> way. Did you enquire after the event as to the legal basis for their
> actions?
>
> Random breath testing of that nature in Victoria is covered by
>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...86125/s54.html
>
> Does it allow the road to be obstructed for the purpose?
>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/si...04138/s62.html
>
>
> Sylvia.
>

Adding aus.legal

Daryl Walford

Sylvia Else wrote:
> Daryl Walford wrote:
>> Pit wrote:
>>> On Sep 1, 1:15 pm, jonz <f...@diesel.com> wrote:
>>>> Marty wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:485 +1000, RogerM wrote:
>>>>>> It would take too long for the scanning to read and process then
>>>>>> transfer that info for checking as you said. All the cars would
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>> stop to do it and that would be mayhem.
>>>>> You are talking out of your arsehole as usual.
>>>>> It takes just a few milliseconds to scan the plates and just a few
>>>>> milliseconds to send the data. A database query is also exceptionally
>>>>> fast. You would be looking at a latency for the whole show of a
>>>>> second or
>>>>> less.
>>>> yep, you`re on the money there....you can run, but you can`t hide.
>>>> at the end of xmas hols. this year, they set it up at Batemans
>>>> Bay.......huge amounts of traffic heading home, became a 2-3km
>>>> tailback,
>>>> as they pulled vehicles over and generally ****ed up traffic flow. on
>>>> one of the busiest traffic days of the year.....pleece farce did`nt
>>>> make
>>>> any friends that day. but then PR has never been their
>>>> forte`.............`
>>>
>>> Oh give me a break mate -- what ever happened to if you cant do the
>>> time dont do the crime END of Story
>>> It also thwarts those sort of plods who used to be great at fiyting
>>> up folks
>>
>> So you think punishing hundreds of people (wasting lots of their time)
>> is acceptable in the odd chance you may catch a few who are breaking
>> the law?
>> Personally I think it outrageous they do shit like that, I was once
>> stuck in a traffic jam on the Westgate Fwy in Melb for over an hour
>> because the police had set up a RBT and blocked the whole fwy, it was
>> a hot day and cars were overheating and so were many people, the cops
>> got lots of abuse and IMO they deserved all they got.
>> I am not against RBT but IMO they have to put a lot more thought into
>> the way they go about it, causing a massive traffic jam is crazy.
>
> It appears to me that the police may not have the power to act in that
> way. Did you enquire after the event as to the legal basis for their
> actions?
>

No as it would be a waste of even more time.

> Random breath testing of that nature in Victoria is covered by
>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...86125/s54.html
>
> Does it allow the road to be obstructed for the purpose?
>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/si...04138/s62.html

No much doubt they weren't completely obeying the law but I'd bet anyone
who complained wouldn't get far and it would be very likely that the
Govt would back the Police action.


Daryl

Sylvia Else

Daryl Walford wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> Daryl Walford wrote:
>>> Pit wrote:
>>>> On Sep 1, 1:15 pm, jonz <f...@diesel.com> wrote:
>>>>> Marty wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:485 +1000, RogerM wrote:
>>>>>>> It would take too long for the scanning to read and process then
>>>>>>> transfer that info for checking as you said. All the cars would
>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>> stop to do it and that would be mayhem.
>>>>>> You are talking out of your arsehole as usual.
>>>>>> It takes just a few milliseconds to scan the plates and just a few
>>>>>> milliseconds to send the data. A database query is also exceptionally
>>>>>> fast. You would be looking at a latency for the whole show of a
>>>>>> second or
>>>>>> less.
>>>>> yep, you`re on the money there....you can run, but you can`t hide.
>>>>> at the end of xmas hols. this year, they set it up at Batemans
>>>>> Bay.......huge amounts of traffic heading home, became a 2-3km
>>>>> tailback,
>>>>> as they pulled vehicles over and generally ****ed up traffic flow. on
>>>>> one of the busiest traffic days of the year.....pleece farce did`nt
>>>>> make
>>>>> any friends that day. but then PR has never been their
>>>>> forte`.............`
>>>>
>>>> Oh give me a break mate -- what ever happened to if you cant do the
>>>> time dont do the crime END of Story
>>>> It also thwarts those sort of plods who used to be great at fiyting
>>>> up folks
>>>
>>> So you think punishing hundreds of people (wasting lots of their
>>> time) is acceptable in the odd chance you may catch a few who are
>>> breaking the law?
>>> Personally I think it outrageous they do shit like that, I was once
>>> stuck in a traffic jam on the Westgate Fwy in Melb for over an hour
>>> because the police had set up a RBT and blocked the whole fwy, it was
>>> a hot day and cars were overheating and so were many people, the cops
>>> got lots of abuse and IMO they deserved all they got.
>>> I am not against RBT but IMO they have to put a lot more thought into
>>> the way they go about it, causing a massive traffic jam is crazy.
>>
>> It appears to me that the police may not have the power to act in that
>> way. Did you enquire after the event as to the legal basis for their
>> actions?
>>
>
> No as it would be a waste of even more time.
>
>> Random breath testing of that nature in Victoria is covered by
>>
>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...86125/s54.html
>>
>> Does it allow the road to be obstructed for the purpose?
>>
>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/si...04138/s62.html
>
>
> No much doubt they weren't completely obeying the law but I'd bet anyone
> who complained wouldn't get far and it would be very likely that the
> Govt would back the Police action.

The Ombudsman would look into it. The resulting fuss might make the
police think twice about doing it again. Parliament could of course
change the law, but doing that would bring the issue out into the open.

But if no one complains, the police can do what they like.

Sylvia.

Pit

On Sep 2, 47*pm, Daryl Walford <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> Pit wrote:
> > On Sep 1, 1:15 pm, jonz <f...@diesel.com> wrote:
> >> Marty wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:485 +1000, RogerM wrote:
> >>>> It would take too long for the scanning to read and process then
> >>>> transfer that info for checking as you said. All the cars would haveto
> >>>> stop to do it and that would be mayhem.
> >>> You are talking out of your arsehole as usual.
> >>> It takes just a few milliseconds to scan the plates and just a few
> >>> milliseconds to send the data. A database query is also exceptionally
> >>> fast. You would be looking at a latency for the whole show of a second or
> >>> less.
> >> * * yep, you`re on the money there....you can run, but you can`t hide.
> >> at the end of xmas hols. this year, they set it up at Batemans
> >> Bay.......huge amounts of traffic heading home, became a 2-3km tailback,
> >> as they pulled vehicles over and generally ****ed up traffic flow. on
> >> one of the busiest traffic days of the year.....pleece farce did`nt make
> >> any friends that day. but then PR has never been their forte`..............`
>
> > Oh give me a break *mate -- what ever happened to if you cant do the
> > time *dont do the crime *END of Story
> > It also thwarts those sort of plods who used to *be great at fiyting
> > up folks
>
> So you think punishing hundreds of people (wasting lots of their time)
> is acceptable in the odd chance you may catch a few who are breaking the
> law?
> Personally I think it outrageous they do shit like that, I was once
> stuck in a traffic jam on the Westgate Fwy in Melb for over an hour
> because the police had set up a RBT and blocked the whole fwy, it was a
> hot day and cars were overheating and so were many people, the cops got
> lots of abuse and IMO they deserved all they got.
> I am not against RBT but IMO they have to put a lot more thought into
> the way they go about it, causing a massive traffic jam is crazy.
>
> Daryl

Plate identification is a LOT faster (when set up properly than RBT
scenarios you mention)

Bottom line if it collars crims GO FOR IT

Pit

On Sep 2, 7:57*pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> Daryl Walford wrote:
> > Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> Daryl Walford wrote:
> >>> Pit wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 1, 1:15 pm, jonz <f...@diesel.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Marty wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:485 +1000, RogerM wrote:
> >>>>>>> It would take too long for the scanning to read and process then
> >>>>>>> transfer that info for checking as you said. All the cars would
> >>>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>> stop to do it and that would be mayhem.
> >>>>>> You are talking out of your arsehole as usual.
> >>>>>> It takes just a few milliseconds to scan the plates and just a few
> >>>>>> milliseconds to send the data. A database query is also exceptionally
> >>>>>> fast. You would be looking at a latency for the whole show of a
> >>>>>> second or
> >>>>>> less.
> >>>>> * * yep, you`re on the money there....you can run, but you can`t hide.
> >>>>> at the end of xmas hols. this year, they set it up at Batemans
> >>>>> Bay.......huge amounts of traffic heading home, became a 2-3km
> >>>>> tailback,
> >>>>> as they pulled vehicles over and generally ****ed up traffic flow. on
> >>>>> one of the busiest traffic days of the year.....pleece farce did`nt
> >>>>> make
> >>>>> any friends that day. but then PR has never been their
> >>>>> forte`.............`
>
> >>>> Oh give me a break *mate -- what ever happened to if you cant do the
> >>>> time *dont do the crime *END of Story
> >>>> It also thwarts those sort of plods who used to *be great at fiyting
> >>>> up folks
>
> >>> So you think punishing hundreds of people (wasting lots of their
> >>> time) is acceptable in the odd chance you may catch a few who are
> >>> breaking the law?
> >>> Personally I think it outrageous they do shit like that, I was once
> >>> stuck in a traffic jam on the Westgate Fwy in Melb for over an hour
> >>> because the police had set up a RBT and blocked the whole fwy, it was
> >>> a hot day and cars were overheating and so were many people, the cops
> >>> got lots of abuse and IMO they deserved all they got.
> >>> I am not against RBT but IMO they have to put a lot more thought into
> >>> the way they go about it, causing a massive traffic jam is crazy.
>
> >> It appears to me that the police may not have the power to act in that
> >> way. Did you enquire after the event as to the legal basis for their
> >> actions?
>
> > No as it would be a waste of even more time.
>
> >> Random breath testing of that nature in Victoria is covered by
>
> >>http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...86125/s54.html
>
> >> Does it allow the road to be obstructed for the purpose?
>
> >>http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/si.../consol_act/rm....
>
> > No much doubt they weren't completely obeying the law but I'd bet anyone
> > who complained wouldn't get far and it would be very likely that the
> > Govt would back the Police action.
>
> The Ombudsman would look into it. The resulting fuss might make the
> police think twice about doing it again. Parliament could of course
> change the law, but doing that would bring the issue out into the open.
>
> But if no one complains, the police can do what they like.
>
> Sylvia.

CRap ! Saliva pleeeeeeeenty of people complain
a lot with no basis for a valid complaint
Removed aus legal

Daryl Walford

Pit wrote:
> On Sep 2, 47 pm, Daryl Walford <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> Pit wrote:
>>> On Sep 1, 1:15 pm, jonz <f...@diesel.com> wrote:
>>>> Marty wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:485 +1000, RogerM wrote:
>>>>>> It would take too long for the scanning to read and process then
>>>>>> transfer that info for checking as you said. All the cars would have to
>>>>>> stop to do it and that would be mayhem.
>>>>> You are talking out of your arsehole as usual.
>>>>> It takes just a few milliseconds to scan the plates and just a few
>>>>> milliseconds to send the data. A database query is also exceptionally
>>>>> fast. You would be looking at a latency for the whole show of a second or
>>>>> less.
>>>> yep, you`re on the money there....you can run, but you can`t hide.
>>>> at the end of xmas hols. this year, they set it up at Batemans
>>>> Bay.......huge amounts of traffic heading home, became a 2-3km tailback,
>>>> as they pulled vehicles over and generally ****ed up traffic flow. on
>>>> one of the busiest traffic days of the year.....pleece farce did`nt make
>>>> any friends that day. but then PR has never been their forte`.............`
>>> Oh give me a break mate -- what ever happened to if you cant do the
>>> time dont do the crime END of Story
>>> It also thwarts those sort of plods who used to be great at fiyting
>>> up folks
>> So you think punishing hundreds of people (wasting lots of their time)
>> is acceptable in the odd chance you may catch a few who are breaking the
>> law?
>> Personally I think it outrageous they do shit like that, I was once
>> stuck in a traffic jam on the Westgate Fwy in Melb for over an hour
>> because the police had set up a RBT and blocked the whole fwy, it was a
>> hot day and cars were overheating and so were many people, the cops got
>> lots of abuse and IMO they deserved all they got.
>> I am not against RBT but IMO they have to put a lot more thought into
>> the way they go about it, causing a massive traffic jam is crazy.
>>
>> Daryl
>
> Plate identification is a LOT faster (when set up properly than RBT
> scenarios you mention)
>
> Bottom line if it collars crims GO FOR IT

I don't have a problem with it if it doesn't cause a massive traffic jam
but inconveniencing huge numbers of people on the off chance they may
catch a small number of offenders is nuts.



Daryl

Athol

hippo <johnh@chopthis.shoal.net.au> wrote:
> Athol <athol_SPIT_SPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 1, 2008 at 035 PM wrote:

>>I'm so impressed with a location used in the hunter during school hols
>>that I won't reveal where it is because I want to see it used over and
>>over again, and if people know where it is, they can avoid it. If they
>>don't know, they're past the camera before they even realise that it's
>>there. :-)

> Anywhere near a town with "two cemetries and no hospital"?

Nope. Not close to Branxton. The location only affects traffic going
from the Pacific Hwy towards the F3 freeway.

Even if you were silly enough to follow the road signs to get from the
New England Hwy near Branxton to the F3, you'd still miss it. If you
take one of the several back routes that are shorter and quicker than
going through Lochinvar (variable limit fixed speed camera in school
zone), Rutherford (new set of traffic lights going in almost every
week), Maitland inner city bypass (2 roundabouts that back up regularly
every day of the week), East Maitland (40 school zone in 70 zone, but
40 limit is irrelevant because the traffic jams keep the traffic below
20km/h all the way through anyway) and Beresfield (road works for new
overpass to take Newcastle bound traffic over turning lane towards F3),
you save a lot of time plus you go nowhere near the camera location.

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

Sylvia Else

Pit wrote:
> On Sep 2, 7:57 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>> Daryl Walford wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> Daryl Walford wrote:
>>>>> Pit wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 1, 1:15 pm, jonz <f...@diesel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:485 +1000, RogerM wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It would take too long for the scanning to read and process then
>>>>>>>>> transfer that info for checking as you said. All the cars would
>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>> stop to do it and that would be mayhem.
>>>>>>>> You are talking out of your arsehole as usual.
>>>>>>>> It takes just a few milliseconds to scan the plates and just a few
>>>>>>>> milliseconds to send the data. A database query is also exceptionally
>>>>>>>> fast. You would be looking at a latency for the whole show of a
>>>>>>>> second or
>>>>>>>> less.
>>>>>>> yep, you`re on the money there....you can run, but you can`t hide.
>>>>>>> at the end of xmas hols. this year, they set it up at Batemans
>>>>>>> Bay.......huge amounts of traffic heading home, became a 2-3km
>>>>>>> tailback,
>>>>>>> as they pulled vehicles over and generally ****ed up traffic flow. on
>>>>>>> one of the busiest traffic days of the year.....pleece farce did`nt
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> any friends that day. but then PR has never been their
>>>>>>> forte`.............`
>>>>>> Oh give me a break mate -- what ever happened to if you cant do the
>>>>>> time dont do the crime END of Story
>>>>>> It also thwarts those sort of plods who used to be great at fiyting
>>>>>> up folks
>>>>> So you think punishing hundreds of people (wasting lots of their
>>>>> time) is acceptable in the odd chance you may catch a few who are
>>>>> breaking the law?
>>>>> Personally I think it outrageous they do shit like that, I was once
>>>>> stuck in a traffic jam on the Westgate Fwy in Melb for over an hour
>>>>> because the police had set up a RBT and blocked the whole fwy, it was
>>>>> a hot day and cars were overheating and so were many people, the cops
>>>>> got lots of abuse and IMO they deserved all they got.
>>>>> I am not against RBT but IMO they have to put a lot more thought into
>>>>> the way they go about it, causing a massive traffic jam is crazy.
>>>> It appears to me that the police may not have the power to act in that
>>>> way. Did you enquire after the event as to the legal basis for their
>>>> actions?
>>> No as it would be a waste of even more time.
>>>> Random breath testing of that nature in Victoria is covered by
>>>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...86125/s54.html
>>>> Does it allow the road to be obstructed for the purpose?
>>>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/si.../consol_act/rm...
>>> No much doubt they weren't completely obeying the law but I'd bet anyone
>>> who complained wouldn't get far and it would be very likely that the
>>> Govt would back the Police action.
>> The Ombudsman would look into it. The resulting fuss might make the
>> police think twice about doing it again. Parliament could of course
>> change the law, but doing that would bring the issue out into the open.
>>
>> But if no one complains, the police can do what they like.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> CRap ! Saliva pleeeeeeeenty of people complain
> a lot with no basis for a valid complaint
> Removed aus legal

How does the fact that a lot of people complain with no valid complaint
alter the fact that the police can do what they like if no one complains?

Or are you saying that there's no valid complaint here?

Sylvia.

Pit

On Sep 3, 7:42*am, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> Pit wrote:
> > On Sep 2, 7:57 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> >> Daryl Walford wrote:
> >>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>> Daryl Walford wrote:
> >>>>> Pit wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sep 1, 1:15 pm, jonz <f...@diesel.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Marty wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:485 +1000, RogerM wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> It would take too long for the scanning to read and process then
> >>>>>>>>> transfer that info for checking as you said. All the cars would
> >>>>>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>>> stop to do it and that would be mayhem.
> >>>>>>>> You are talking out of your arsehole as usual.
> >>>>>>>> It takes just a few milliseconds to scan the plates and just a few
> >>>>>>>> milliseconds to send the data. A database query is also exceptionally
> >>>>>>>> fast. You would be looking at a latency for the whole show of a
> >>>>>>>> second or
> >>>>>>>> less.
> >>>>>>> * * yep, you`re on the money there....you can run, but you can`t hide.
> >>>>>>> at the end of xmas hols. this year, they set it up at Batemans
> >>>>>>> Bay.......huge amounts of traffic heading home, became a 2-3km
> >>>>>>> tailback,
> >>>>>>> as they pulled vehicles over and generally ****ed up traffic flow.. on
> >>>>>>> one of the busiest traffic days of the year.....pleece farce did`nt
> >>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>> any friends that day. but then PR has never been their
> >>>>>>> forte`.............`
> >>>>>> Oh give me a break *mate -- what ever happened to if you cant dothe
> >>>>>> time *dont do the crime *END of Story
> >>>>>> It also thwarts those sort of plods who used to *be great at fiyting
> >>>>>> up folks
> >>>>> So you think punishing hundreds of people (wasting lots of their
> >>>>> time) is acceptable in the odd chance you may catch a few who are
> >>>>> breaking the law?
> >>>>> Personally I think it outrageous they do shit like that, I was once
> >>>>> stuck in a traffic jam on the Westgate Fwy in Melb for over an hour
> >>>>> because the police had set up a RBT and blocked the whole fwy, it was
> >>>>> a hot day and cars were overheating and so were many people, the cops
> >>>>> got lots of abuse and IMO they deserved all they got.
> >>>>> I am not against RBT but IMO they have to put a lot more thought into
> >>>>> the way they go about it, causing a massive traffic jam is crazy.
> >>>> It appears to me that the police may not have the power to act in that
> >>>> way. Did you enquire after the event as to the legal basis for their
> >>>> actions?
> >>> No as it would be a waste of even more time.
> >>>> Random breath testing of that nature in Victoria is covered by
> >>>>http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...86125/s54.html
> >>>> Does it allow the road to be obstructed for the purpose?
> >>>>http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/si.../consol_act/rm....
> >>> No much doubt they weren't completely obeying the law but I'd bet anyone
> >>> who complained wouldn't get far and it would be very likely that the
> >>> Govt would back the Police action.
> >> The Ombudsman would look into it. The resulting fuss might make the
> >> police think twice about doing it again. Parliament could of course
> >> change the law, but doing that would bring the issue out into the open..
>
> >> But if no one complains, the police can do what they like.
>
> >> Sylvia.
>
> > CRap ! Saliva * pleeeeeeeenty of people complain
> > a lot with no basis for a valid complaint
> > Removed aus legal
>
> How does the fact that a lot of people complain with no valid complaint
> alter the fact that the police can do what they like if no one complains?
>
> Or are you saying that there's no valid complaint here?
>
> Sylvia.

NO! I am responding to your false assertion that the police do
whatever they like .
That is just NOT a true statement .


Do you have any evidence of a police officer doing what they like (if
it is unlawful) ?
If so why have you not taken it up with the appropriate peope ?

If you do not then your statement is flawed is it not ?

Sylvia Else

Pit wrote:
> On Sep 3, 7:42 am, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>> Pit wrote:
>>> On Sep 2, 7:57 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>>> Daryl Walford wrote:
>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> Daryl Walford wrote:
>>>>>>> Pit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 1:15 pm, jonz <f...@diesel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:485 +1000, RogerM wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> It would take too long for the scanning to read and process then
>>>>>>>>>>> transfer that info for checking as you said. All the cars would
>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>> stop to do it and that would be mayhem.
>>>>>>>>>> You are talking out of your arsehole as usual.
>>>>>>>>>> It takes just a few milliseconds to scan the plates and just a few
>>>>>>>>>> milliseconds to send the data. A database query is also exceptionally
>>>>>>>>>> fast. You would be looking at a latency for the whole show of a
>>>>>>>>>> second or
>>>>>>>>>> less.
>>>>>>>>> yep, you`re on the money there....you can run, but you can`t hide.
>>>>>>>>> at the end of xmas hols. this year, they set it up at Batemans
>>>>>>>>> Bay.......huge amounts of traffic heading home, became a 2-3km
>>>>>>>>> tailback,
>>>>>>>>> as they pulled vehicles over and generally ****ed up traffic flow. on
>>>>>>>>> one of the busiest traffic days of the year.....pleece farce did`nt
>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>> any friends that day. but then PR has never been their
>>>>>>>>> forte`.............`
>>>>>>>> Oh give me a break mate -- what ever happened to if you cant do the
>>>>>>>> time dont do the crime END of Story
>>>>>>>> It also thwarts those sort of plods who used to be great at fiyting
>>>>>>>> up folks
>>>>>>> So you think punishing hundreds of people (wasting lots of their
>>>>>>> time) is acceptable in the odd chance you may catch a few who are
>>>>>>> breaking the law?
>>>>>>> Personally I think it outrageous they do shit like that, I was once
>>>>>>> stuck in a traffic jam on the Westgate Fwy in Melb for over an hour
>>>>>>> because the police had set up a RBT and blocked the whole fwy, it was
>>>>>>> a hot day and cars were overheating and so were many people, the cops
>>>>>>> got lots of abuse and IMO they deserved all they got.
>>>>>>> I am not against RBT but IMO they have to put a lot more thought into
>>>>>>> the way they go about it, causing a massive traffic jam is crazy.
>>>>>> It appears to me that the police may not have the power to act in that
>>>>>> way. Did you enquire after the event as to the legal basis for their
>>>>>> actions?
>>>>> No as it would be a waste of even more time.
>>>>>> Random breath testing of that nature in Victoria is covered by
>>>>>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...86125/s54.html
>>>>>> Does it allow the road to be obstructed for the purpose?
>>>>>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/si.../consol_act/rm...
>>>>> No much doubt they weren't completely obeying the law but I'd bet anyone
>>>>> who complained wouldn't get far and it would be very likely that the
>>>>> Govt would back the Police action.
>>>> The Ombudsman would look into it. The resulting fuss might make the
>>>> police think twice about doing it again. Parliament could of course
>>>> change the law, but doing that would bring the issue out into the open.
>>>> But if no one complains, the police can do what they like.
>>>> Sylvia.
>>> CRap ! Saliva pleeeeeeeenty of people complain
>>> a lot with no basis for a valid complaint
>>> Removed aus legal
>> How does the fact that a lot of people complain with no valid complaint
>> alter the fact that the police can do what they like if no one complains?
>>
>> Or are you saying that there's no valid complaint here?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> NO! I am responding to your false assertion that the police do
> whatever they like .
> That is just NOT a true statement .

If no one complains, then what's to stop the police from doing what they
like?

>
> Do you have any evidence of a police officer doing what they like (if
> it is unlawful) ?
> If so why have you not taken it up with the appropriate peope ?

I got the police to change the way they were enforcing a no-entry sign.
They didn't admit that they were acting unlawfully, but they did change
their approach.

Sylvia.