Ron wrote:
>
> jonz <fj40@diesel.com> wrote in news:48b5120e@dnews.tpgi.com.au:
>
> >
> >
> > Noddy wrote:
> >> "RogerM" <rogerm@justrucks.com.au> wrote in message
> >> news
0c4bedf$0$20302$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> >>
> >>> You know Nod, this will surprise you as I agree with you, your above
> >>> par is so bloody true. For whatever reason, most people tend to say
> >>> that whatever they own is the "duck's guts" forgetting whatever
> >>> problems they have had as being negligible. I stick up for Ford, yet
> >>> when I consider when it comes time to sell it, I'm usually insulted
> >>> at the loss I make, yet I still support Ford.
> >>
> >> I can't tell you the number of cars I've owned in my life, but it'd
> >> be well over a hundred by now. Most of them have probably been Fords,
> >> although I've had Holdens, Chryslers, at least one from each of the
> >> Japanese manufacturers (and a number from a few), a couple of
> >> Volkswagens, and **** knows whatever else. I like *some* Fords, just
> >> like I like *some* Holdens, *some* Honda's and *some BMW's. I don't
> >> have a favourite marque and and am not on the public relations
> >> payroll of any manufacturer.
> >
> >
> > ****...you said a mouthful there.....with an attitude like
> > yours...even Attila the Hun would`nt have you as `is pr man...jeez yer
> > a
> > joke.....
>
> Yep, now you know 
>
> The great "NODDY" has only ever "OWNED" bogan cars, BUT!! he is an ExPert
> on those he has never owned OR, had anyting to do with, other than fix
> ones ****ed by similar idiots
>
> I find it really laughable that "Noddy" bags Jaguars, on "ONLY" his
> experience at repairing, "a few". Jaguars like any onther car get driven
> by people who think the cars are indestructable. Rather than give the car
> to a proper Jaguar mechanic, they opt for the cheaper, "Noddys"
>
> Attitude, experience and knowledge is an important ingredient.
Indeed, and it's been said that whilst facts can alter emotions,
emotions cannot alter facts. This is particularly relevant issue. As
much as I like older Vals, I can write a book (not a bestseller mind
you) on all the stuff that goes wrong with them, and how to fix it.
That's the important issue here.
>
> Now you know why there are so many poorly repaired Jaguars around (I
> unfortunately bought one)
This is where I disagree. I worked at a wanky upmarket place, with hooks
into pretty much all the euro stuff of any real merit (typically the
luxo side of it, but not entirely, some sports cars and so forth to be
sure). I can tell you categorically that the problems were many, and
often on low mile and immaculately maintained examples. There was no
economic or other factors involved that lead to a delay or lack of
maintenance.
I'll be fair and mention that after ww2, Britain (or call it what you
like) was paying out heavily for years afterward, mostly to the US, and
they were afaik still using rationing in the early 50s. Given the nature
of things, it's not 100% surprising that some of them featured less than
ideal metallurgy, design and construction. The issue is, however, that
they didn't really pull themselves out of it like some other countries
did (even the 'losers') after ww2 - the quality/standards just weren't
there.
the "Noddys" who could not give a rats arse
> because their impression is, "No matter what they do, it will always be a
> bucket of shit". So, the "patch" it rather than repair it!
That was by far the prevailing attitude where I worked, and it wasn't
because we were all ****s. They had a huge trouble keeping blokes in the
jag section, and some blokes literally gladly took a slightly lower wage
just to stick in the other sections - no shit. The amt of people who'd
come in, last a few months then disappear was considerable.
Bottom line, even their reliability aside, which was atrocious, they
also suffered from major design issues. There was zero consideration
given to ease of maintenance. It's ****ing frustrating to say the least,
to be allotted a no bullshit - 3.5 hours just to change spark plugs on
some of the v12s - the amt of crap you have to pull off, then the risk
of debris going down the plug holes. 3+ hours just for that? hardly a
good thing. The sixes were heavy, bloody heavy, and relatively (the gap
widened as time went on, generally) modest power outputs.
It's one thing to do a few club runs and the like (and I'm not speaking
about you here Ron) - one can I suppose cope with regular maintenance
just to get them to handle that, but think of all those who bought them
new, not to cruise around in, but as a form of transport (albeit with
what some might argue is a decent status symbol) - spending extortion
like amounts to purchase it, only to have reliability issues, and their
big dollar driveway stained with oil all over the place.
>
> I bought one, it took me years to get it running properly.
That's the bit I'm curious about. If I recall the issues were overheated
and cooked engine and head, a couple of electrical issues, and then the
lpg convertor/horrible fuel efficiency.
The question here is, if the motors are in general so reliable, why
didn't someone just score a cost effective running engine and swap it in
there? Unless there are none? (not kidding this time, or being smart, I
just think it's a fair question)
> A few "Noddys" had ****ed it completely,
Respectfully, I'm sure I recall you mentioning that you drove it after
it overheated, making it all the way home (or somewhere else). I
honestly don't think that any other causes could legitimately rate a
mention compared to that.
the engine had to be totally
> rebuilt, plastic stuck in the suspensions, I had to rebuild that.
So you are suggesting that the neglect spread to every single item
there, and none of it could be fairly put down to the
manufacturing/quality control in the first place?
> It cost a small fortune and took a long time,
Which is rather the point.
however, that XJ6 Jaguar is
> now a better car than it was new.
One might argue that that is not exactly high praise
>
> I don't take either of my Jaguars, or the Land Rover Discovery to a
> simple "Mechanic"!
Again, respectfully, there's no _actual_ difference other than the fact
that this 'specialist' recognises the huge issues with them, and knows
that there's more than enough people who will pay through the nose, so
he attaches the work 'specialist' or 'expert' somewhere in ads or the
company namme on the building, and hey presto 'we're in the money, we're
in the money, we've got a lot of what it takes to get along'
> They are not qualified to fix those cars
Being someone who has first hand experience there, there's honestly no
such thing. Sure there are minor issues now with odb stuff, and
proprietary software (on new cars in general, not specifically jags) but
your car/engine predates all of that stuff.
I could make the call that I've got a fair bit of knowledge on vals,
minis and early toranas. But it doesn't make me special. Plenty of
others can get them going very well. Come to something like big $$$
racing, and yes you'd need to look for people who do that for a living,
but for std or mild stuff, and for max reliability/longevity, that isn't
out of reach for any mechanic.
and will
> probably try to sell you a "HiClone". I do not trust any of them.
I dunno what to say. I recall the issues you had with the lpg. Then in
another post (this is going back years) when someone asked a question in
here about which lpg system to go for, you replied 'whichever is the
cheapest'. In which case, it lends itself to the idea that you did that
yourself on a conversion on your car. Which would have ultimaktely meant
cheaper lpg gear was used, and then point the finger/blame apon the
mechanic who sees it down the track
On the topic of hiclones (or whatever it was) I genuinely suspect that
if they recommended that to you, they aren't actually qualified
mechanics, period.
> Do it yourself and you know it is done properly.
Here I'm reminded of when you discussed helping a friend - I tyhink with
a blown head gasket on a toyota, and then it not running (the day after
you posted you were 'doing it by the book')
> Any idiot can follow instructions, but! beware, most were written by
> mechanics.
Engineers actually.
Look Ron, I don't have anything against you, and you're entitled to
like, or even love, jags, but no amount of love will change their
reliability record, and it's not down do maintenance or the mechanic
working on them. Even properly maintained they'll leak soon enough.
Ironically, since they do all that any way, I wonder if it wouldn't be
cheaper to just do no maintenance, and let them leak!
--
John McKenzie
tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com
abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov
sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback
abuse@iprimus.com.au
$LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer
root@mailloop.com
$USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost
abuse@msn.com
abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au
$USER@localhost
abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov
Linear Mode
