Daryl Walford

Pit wrote:
> On Aug 24, 5:11 pm, Daryl Walford <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> will_s wrote:
>>
>>> "John_H" <john4...@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>> news:s052b4lf272eajjq7j10v8jo9lvlio0ssr@4ax.com...
>>>> will_s wrote:
>>>>> "will_s" <wil...@losbey.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:6hccebFkjl9pU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> just had a look and the motor has a sticker that says it does not have a
>>>>> catalyzed particular filter
>>>>> So what oil ?
>>>> Since you've now established you don't have to CPF (and I'm yet to
>>>> come across anything that has) the specification becomes API (American
>>>> Petroleum Institute) CH-4 or above, or ACEA C3.
>>>> Be careful. Only the top spec diesel oils meet API CH-4. If you like
>>>> the belt and braces approach look for one that also meets ACEA B4.
>>>> Without knowing you brand preference I wouldn't like to venture any
>>>> particular recommendation. The oil company product data sheets
>>>> contain the complete information you need. The container in the shop
>>>> should have the API spec... run for your engine's life if it doesn't
>>>> (only electrical appliancies have motors)! ;-)
>>>> --
>>>> John H
>>> well its a typical car manual............lists every model of petrol
>>> diesel luxory non luxory etc etc etc in the ONE book that most certainly
>>> caused the death of a thousand extra trees
>>> what would be good for all car manufacturers etc would be to include a
>>> "welcome bundle" that includes a couple litres of oil, cleaning
>>> equipment etc etc
>> Subaru dealer supplied us with a 1ltr container of oil when we picked
>> the car new, apparently they can use a bit of oil till the engine is run
>> in and we were told to keep an eye on the oil level but it never needed
>> to be topped up, AFAIK the oil is still in the boot 2 yrs later.
>>
>> Daryl
>
> Think of it as hedge against inflation ( the oil that is)


LOL, always increasing in value:-)
Maybe I should buy some more and store it:-)


Daryl

Daryl Walford

Ron wrote:
> Daryl Walford <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in
> news0c11c30$0$20311$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:
>
>> Ron wrote:
>>> "will_s" <will_s@losbey.com> wrote in news:6hcfpgFkelb9U1
>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:713d940f-7240-4b6f-ba9d-
>>> 2c1ebb8624ff@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Aug 24, 4:12 pm, "will_s" <wil...@losbey.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i30 Diesel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> without CPF API service CH-4 or above, ACEA B4
>>>>>> with CPF (catalyzed Particulate filter) ; ACEA C3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> translations ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tomorrow will ring Hyundai dealer but for now any ideas?
>>>>> Likely best to contact them, however it does not mean gold,
>>>>> they might suggest some crap their dealers use.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use Castrol RX Super 15W40 CI-4. Not cheap at $127 for
>>>>> a 20 litre can, need 6 litres for a 10K change, 5 litres for
>>>>> a 5K change which does not involve filter. It's good stuff.
>>>>> My diesel has in it's manuel API CD - It might have had
>>>>> that from factory, however I don't remember ever using it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those specs are weird. Likely look them up for
>>>>> a translation - Ahhh standards - so many to choose
>>>>> from :-(
>>>> Castrol Edge Sport 0W-40 or 5W-30
>>>>
>>>> Ca;tex Delco 400 multigrade
>>>>
>>>> followed the link for Valvoline and they showed oil for a model with
>>> CPF
>>> Lets hope Hyundai do NOT use Castrol!
>>>
>>> If they do, change the oil at half the intervals.
>>> Castrol is fantastic for building sludge in an engine.
>>> Brother has a Statesman that was always serviced on the dot, by a GMH
>>> dealer in Adelaide. When he moved up here, we put a detergent oil in
>>> it to clean it up. It sure did, at 190,000km, the sludge got stuck
>>> in the oil ways, split an internal one and ruined the motor.
>>>
>>> The guys who fitted a replacement engine, pulled the valley cover off
>>> the old motor, to show us! The sludge was thick as!!
>>>
>>> Many, many years ago, I bought a 62 Ford Zodiac, same problem same
>>> oil. I have not used Castrol since the Zodiac saga, in 1971.
>>> Valvoline, YES!
>> I'd be very surprised if any of that was caused by the oil brand,
>> maybe the wrong type but my guess is the wrong or no thermostat.
>> I've used lots of Castrol oil over the years and have never had a
>> problem with it, according to the invoice the Subaru dealer puts
>> Castrol in our Impreza.
>> A V8 HK Holden I owned many years ago didn't use any oil if I used
>> Castrol GTX but put anything else in it and it burned heaps, I have no
>> idea why it did that and it doesn't make a lot of sense but thats what
>> it did so it got nothing else but GTX.
>
>
> Daryl
>
> I have no idea what type of castrol Holden were putting in that car!
> Trevor has owned it from new, in 1995. It had always been serviced by
> the same Holden Dealer in Adelaide.
>
> The sludge inside that engine was disgusting.
> The thermostat worked well and the car did not burn oil.
>
> Given that Trevor trusted the dealer and never checked on their work,
> did they infact change the oil?
> Were they ripping him off?

You have to wonder, if an engine gets serviced when it supposed to with
a reasonable oil it shouldn't sludge up.


Daryl

will_s

"John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
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> will_s wrote:
>>>> "John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:s052b4lf272eajjq7j10v8jo9lvlio0ssr@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Be careful. Only the top spec diesel oils meet API CH-4. If you like
>>>>> the belt and braces approach look for one that also meets ACEA B4.
>>
>>
>>Well its Repsol Evolution Oil
>>
>>http://www.repsol.com/imagenes/es_en...%20Agosto%2007[1]_tcm11-15300.pdf
>>
>>or
>>
>>http://tiny.cc/lwIIg
>>
>>
>>thats according to Hyundai Wollongong
>
> Looks like they prefer the braces and no belt approach! (It doesn't
> meet CH-4.) :-(
>
> --
> John H


Well if they are using it I guess thats what I will use

Actually may send an email of to Hyundai head office and ask them :-)

So what top spec oils would you recommend ? Price or brand doesnt worry
me. I guess when it comes to the oil change I could always supply the oil
but can you trust them to use it ?

Toby Ponsenby

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:16:37 +1000, will_s wrote:

> "John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
> news:bmn4b49tlagpj48mvqmh71b586hfhh3s42@4ax.com...
>> will_s wrote:
>>>>> "John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:s052b4lf272eajjq7j10v8jo9lvlio0ssr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be careful. Only the top spec diesel oils meet API CH-4. If you like
>>>>>> the belt and braces approach look for one that also meets ACEA B4.
>>>
>>>
>>>Well its Repsol Evolution Oil
>>>
>>>http://www.repsol.com/imagenes/es_en...%20Agosto%2007[1]_tcm11-15300.pdf
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>http://tiny.cc/lwIIg
>>>
>>>
>>>thats according to Hyundai Wollongong
>>
>> Looks like they prefer the braces and no belt approach! (It doesn't
>> meet CH-4.) :-(
>>
>> --
>> John H
>
>
> Well if they are using it I guess thats what I will use
>
> Actually may send an email of to Hyundai head office and ask them :-)
>
> So what top spec oils would you recommend ? Price or brand doesnt worry
> me. I guess when it comes to the oil change I could always supply the oil
> but can you trust them to use it ?

'course you could. But in which car?


--
Toby

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John_H

will_s wrote:
>"John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
>news:bmn4b49tlagpj48mvqmh71b586hfhh3s42@4ax.com.. .
>> will_s wrote:
>>>>> "John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:s052b4lf272eajjq7j10v8jo9lvlio0ssr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be careful. Only the top spec diesel oils meet API CH-4. If you like
>>>>>> the belt and braces approach look for one that also meets ACEA B4.
>>>
>>>
>>>Well its Repsol Evolution Oil
>>>
>>>http://www.repsol.com/imagenes/es_en...%20Agosto%2007[1]_tcm11-15300.pdf
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>http://tiny.cc/lwIIg
>>>
>>>
>>>thats according to Hyundai Wollongong
>>
>> Looks like they prefer the braces and no belt approach! (It doesn't
>> meet CH-4.) :-(

>
>Well if they are using it I guess thats what I will use
>
>Actually may send an email of to Hyundai head office and ask them :-)
>
>So what top spec oils would you recommend ?

Feel free to do your own homework (the oil companies have all the
relevant data you need on their websites). From a purely personal
perspective I wouldn't even use a diesel oil that didn't meet API CH-4
to kill termites. ;-)

Since the ACEA specs are a relatively recent innovation, and mean SFA
to most Australian suppliers and users, I haven't bothered to check
the ACEA spec for the oil I use (and which I buy in 200 litre drums to
suit a whole range of diesel engines). If I happened to be using it
in a European built engine of very recent manufacture then I'd
probably check the ACEA spec (and may even consider changing to an oil
that meets it if perchance the present one doesn't).

BTW there are also two API specs more recent than CH-4. One is meant
for heavy duty applications, the other for particulate filters.

If you wanted to do a bit of googling you'd find the complete testing
procedures, and their relevance to the various specifications used by
both API and ACEA. Don't expect them to mean much to you though.

>Price or brand doesnt worry
>me. I guess when it comes to the oil change I could always supply the oil
>but can you trust them to use it ?

If you're having the car serviced by a dealer the way I see it is
you've got two choices... either trust the present dealer or find
another one. Either way if the oil they use stuffs your engine the
car maker's warranty _might_ cover it. ;-)

Most dealers are happy to use the oil their customers supply (only the
real expensive stuff ends up in the apprentice's car).... Once again
it's simply a matter of trust.

--
John H

hippo

Ron <dodo@hotmail> Aug 25, 2008 at 05:22 AM wrote:

>"Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in news:48b23233$0$94257$c30e37c6@lon-
reader.news.telstra.net:

>>
>> "Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9B057DB592365GPS@64.209.0.94...
>>
>>> Yeah, Castrol Shit
>>
>> No worries Ron.
>>
>> Continue to live your life with your hrad stuck half way up your arse

>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Noddy.
>>
>>
>>

>What is a "hrad" ?
>Is it another Castrol thing...

Well, I believe it means 'castle' in Slovakia.
Castle? Castrol? Easy mistake!
I suppose if you *did* have one of those stuck half way up there it'd be a
haemmorhrad?

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Ron

"hippo" <johnh@chopthis.shoal.net.au> wrote in
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> Ron <dodo@hotmail> Aug 25, 2008 at 05:22 AM wrote:
>
>>"Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in news:48b23233$0$94257$c30e37c6@lon-
> reader.news.telstra.net:
>
>>>
>>> "Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9B057DB592365GPS@64.209.0.94...
>>>
>>>> Yeah, Castrol Shit
>>>
>>> No worries Ron.
>>>
>>> Continue to live your life with your hrad stuck half way up your
>>> arse
>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Noddy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>>What is a "hrad" ?
>>Is it another Castrol thing...
>
> Well, I believe it means 'castle' in Slovakia.
> Castle? Castrol? Easy mistake!
> I suppose if you *did* have one of those stuck half way up there it'd
> be a haemmorhrad?
>
> --
> Message posted using http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/aus.cars/
> More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
>
>

LOL

Clocky

"Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ron" <dodo@hotmail> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B057DB592365GPS@64.209.0.94...
>
>> Yeah, Castrol Shit
>
> No worries Ron.
>
> Continue to live your life with your hrad stuck half way up your arse
>

It seems Ron's stupidity knows no bounds.

****ing hell, what is next...