RogerM

There has been some discussion recently in here from a section of this
newsgroup who continually bag FWD vehicles. One of the biggest idiotic
claims made, was there should be a special driving test for these drivers.
FWD in most cases is no more dangerous than RWD just as RWD is no more
dangerous than FWD. There are driving exceptions/conditions of course for
both types of vehicles where one will outperform the other and I'm not
referring to racing conditions, but everyday driving.

However, whilst there are many idiots out there, the way to stay clear of
them is to learn how to handle them. Road rage is usually a big contributor
to having an accident as you will soon forget your responsibilites of
keeping your passengers and other road users safe. Let the idiots go, don't
get upset over it, keep your cool and you will keep your life. Doing all the
driving tests imaginable will not help you, your passengers or other road
users if you are a hot/rev head.

Most drivers who have a clean record of never having an accident, is in many
cases, loads of luck of never being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Look at Peter Brock, how many could drive a car like him, yet his driving
came unstuck at the wrong time just as it could be said the tree was in the
wrong place.

What would you do if you had milliseconds to respond to a car coming
sideways on your side of the highway around a corner, because the idiot was
doing 160km/hr and lost control? Do you go right and take your chances with
the traffic behind him, go left and take your chances off road or do you
stay straight and hope he misses you? Of course you can't answer that until
it happens to you.

In my 20 years as a rep, I chalked up over a million kilomteres and had one
accident. Why? Because two teens were playing chicken on bikes on the
highway and as I swerved to miss one, a huge pothole was in the wrong place
and sent me off the shoulder into a culvert with long grass that hid a log
that tore the front end out from under my vehicle.

The copper who attended that scene saw me some months later and told me the
same two did the same thing again only this time to a woman and one of the
teens got hit and was killed. To drive so many miles in that length of time
with one accident was no doubt a lot of good driving skills, but mostly,
good luck by not being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Having a special driving test for a licence for FWD cars is just a stupid
comment. The part of staying safe is controlled by you, the environment,
other road users and lots of good luck.

Roger

Atheist Chaplain

"RogerM" <rogerm@justrucks.com.au> wrote in message
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> There has been some discussion recently in here from a section of this
> newsgroup who continually bag FWD vehicles. One of the biggest idiotic
> claims made, was there should be a special driving test for these drivers.
> FWD in most cases is no more dangerous than RWD just as RWD is no more
> dangerous than FWD. There are driving exceptions/conditions of course for
> both types of vehicles where one will outperform the other and I'm not
> referring to racing conditions, but everyday driving.
>

I realy only have one question Roger, WTF has your little FWD v RWD rant got
to do with road rage??


> However, whilst there are many idiots out there, the way to stay clear of
> them is to learn how to handle them. Road rage is usually a big
> contributor to having an accident as you will soon forget your
> responsibilites of keeping your passengers and other road users safe. Let
> the idiots go, don't get upset over it, keep your cool and you will keep
> your life. Doing all the driving tests imaginable will not help you, your
> passengers or other road users if you are a hot/rev head.
>
> Most drivers who have a clean record of never having an accident, is in
> many cases, loads of luck of never being in the wrong place at the wrong
> time. Look at Peter Brock, how many could drive a car like him, yet his
> driving came unstuck at the wrong time just as it could be said the tree
> was in the wrong place.
>
> What would you do if you had milliseconds to respond to a car coming
> sideways on your side of the highway around a corner, because the idiot
> was doing 160km/hr and lost control? Do you go right and take your chances
> with the traffic behind him, go left and take your chances off road or do
> you stay straight and hope he misses you? Of course you can't answer that
> until it happens to you.
>
> In my 20 years as a rep, I chalked up over a million kilomteres and had
> one accident. Why? Because two teens were playing chicken on bikes on the
> highway and as I swerved to miss one, a huge pothole was in the wrong
> place and sent me off the shoulder into a culvert with long grass that hid
> a log that tore the front end out from under my vehicle.
>
> The copper who attended that scene saw me some months later and told me
> the same two did the same thing again only this time to a woman and one of
> the teens got hit and was killed. To drive so many miles in that length of
> time with one accident was no doubt a lot of good driving skills, but
> mostly, good luck by not being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
>
> Having a special driving test for a licence for FWD cars is just a stupid
> comment. The part of staying safe is controlled by you, the environment,
> other road users and lots of good luck.
>
> Roger

--
"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
Don Hirschberg

sooba

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:31:29 +1000, RogerM wrote:


>
> The copper who attended that scene saw me some months later and told me
> the same two did the same thing again only this time to a woman and one
> of the teens got hit and was killed. To drive so many miles in that
> length of time with one accident was no doubt a lot of good driving
> skills, but mostly, good luck by not being in the wrong place at the
> wrong time.

Aren't you good. Three cheers! Do you have a fish logo too?

> Having a special driving test for a licence for FWD cars is just a
> stupid comment. The part of staying safe is controlled by you, the
> environment, other road users and lots of good luck.
>

Judging from the way you get exited about topics in aus.cars and argue
with people for the heck of it I would guess that you *are* likely to be
a road rager in real life.

RogerM

"Atheist Chaplain" <abused@cia.gov> wrote in message
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> "RogerM" <rogerm@justrucks.com.au> wrote in message
> news0be03c0$0$20311$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>> There has been some discussion recently in here from a section of this
>> newsgroup who continually bag FWD vehicles. One of the biggest idiotic
>> claims made, was there should be a special driving test for these
>> drivers. FWD in most cases is no more dangerous than RWD just as RWD is
>> no more dangerous than FWD. There are driving exceptions/conditions of
>> course for both types of vehicles where one will outperform the other and
>> I'm not referring to racing conditions, but everyday driving.
>>
>
> I realy only have one question Roger, WTF has your little FWD v RWD rant
> got to do with road rage??

Good on ya.....I thought it was obvious, I threw it in just to upset you.
Fair dinkum.

If you had been reading earlier posts, you would have noticed your mates
going on about requiring a special licence to drive a FWD as being of
importance to road safety. No doubt you're little childish outburst will now
take away the crux of the post which no doubt was your intention. The rest
of the morons will now side with you to degenerate an honest post.

The fact you saw fit to comment on that minor prelude to the post as being
more important to you than the rest of it, tells me you are not the person I
was beginning to think you were.

Roger

RogerM

"sooba" <sooba@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hsork.30220$IK1.10134@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:31:29 +1000, RogerM wrote:
>
>
>>
>> The copper who attended that scene saw me some months later and told me
>> the same two did the same thing again only this time to a woman and one
>> of the teens got hit and was killed. To drive so many miles in that
>> length of time with one accident was no doubt a lot of good driving
>> skills, but mostly, good luck by not being in the wrong place at the
>> wrong time.
>
> Aren't you good. Three cheers! Do you have a fish logo too?
>
>> Having a special driving test for a licence for FWD cars is just a
>> stupid comment. The part of staying safe is controlled by you, the
>> environment, other road users and lots of good luck.
>>
>
> Judging from the way you get exited about topics in aus.cars and argue
> with people for the heck of it I would guess that you *are* likely to be
> a road rager in real life.

Thanks for your contribution. I hope you feel better now.

Roger

Atheist Chaplain

"RogerM" <rogerm@justrucks.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Atheist Chaplain" <abused@cia.gov> wrote in message
> news:g8l2vo$ev7$1@aioe.org...
>> "RogerM" <rogerm@justrucks.com.au> wrote in message
>> news0be03c0$0$20311$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>> There has been some discussion recently in here from a section of this
>>> newsgroup who continually bag FWD vehicles. One of the biggest idiotic
>>> claims made, was there should be a special driving test for these
>>> drivers. FWD in most cases is no more dangerous than RWD just as RWD is
>>> no more dangerous than FWD. There are driving exceptions/conditions of
>>> course for both types of vehicles where one will outperform the other
>>> and I'm not referring to racing conditions, but everyday driving.
>>>
>>
>> I realy only have one question Roger, WTF has your little FWD v RWD rant
>> got to do with road rage??
>
> Good on ya.....I thought it was obvious, I threw it in just to upset you.
> Fair dinkum.
>
> If you had been reading earlier posts, you would have noticed your mates
> going on about requiring a special licence to drive a FWD as being of
> importance to road safety. No doubt you're little childish outburst will
> now take away the crux of the post which no doubt was your intention. The
> rest of the morons will now side with you to degenerate an honest post.
>
> The fact you saw fit to comment on that minor prelude to the post as being
> more important to you than the rest of it, tells me you are not the person
> I was beginning to think you were.
>
> Roger

firstly, I asked an honest question, secondly I agree with you that road
rage is a bad thing, but lets get back to the FWD vs. RWD rant, if some
dickhead is getting upset at some perceived slight they may have felt, then
be they driving FWD, RWD or AWD they are still likely to do something stupid
and kill either themselves or someone else.
I want trying to take away from your original SUBJECT, I was just curious as
to why you put your little rant in at the top when it had no bearing on road
rage as far as I can tell.
and just for the record Roger, your post didn't upset me in any way, just
piqued my curiosity.
The fact that you have got your knickers in a twist over a simple question,
one that was deserving of a simple answer, rather than a multi paragraph
rant that probably has spittle dribbling down your chin tells me all I need
to know, that being you have no reason to include it in a post about road
rage, other than to try and stir the possum. And that doesn't change one
iota what kind of person I think you are Roger.

--
"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
Don Hirschberg

Toby Ponsenby

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:31:29 +1000, RogerM wrote:

> However, whilst there are many idiots out there, the way to stay clear of
> them is to learn how to handle them. Road rage is usually a big contributor
> to having an accident as you will soon forget your responsibilites of
> keeping your passengers and other road users safe. Let the idiots go, don't
> get upset over it, keep your cool and you will keep your life. Doing all the
> driving tests imaginable will not help you, your passengers or other road
> users if you are a hot/rev head.

Agree - in part.
You don't need to be a rev/hot head to nail the jerks.
Just patient, clinical and extremely careful of other road users.

If you put a solo driving ****wit into a ditch because they've tried on
the wrong guy - stiff shit and no harm done, at all.

BTW, turning the other cheek in traffic is only a Good Thing if and only
if there's a possibility of damage to anyone at all but the perp who's
making you turn that cheek.
That's because the arseholes of this world usually get away with being
arseholes because the Just refuse to put matters right.
Because they're the Just.
But they don't have to be frightened of being Just.
--
Toby

Man goes on mission to catch the world's biggest stingrays.
What could possibly go... CRIKEY

Drew Curtis from Fark.com linking to a story - July 2008

Sylvia Else

Toby Ponsenby wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:31:29 +1000, RogerM wrote:
>
>> However, whilst there are many idiots out there, the way to stay clear of
>> them is to learn how to handle them. Road rage is usually a big contributor
>> to having an accident as you will soon forget your responsibilites of
>> keeping your passengers and other road users safe. Let the idiots go, don't
>> get upset over it, keep your cool and you will keep your life. Doing all the
>> driving tests imaginable will not help you, your passengers or other road
>> users if you are a hot/rev head.
>
> Agree - in part.
> You don't need to be a rev/hot head to nail the jerks.
> Just patient, clinical and extremely careful of other road users.
>
> If you put a solo driving ****wit into a ditch because they've tried on
> the wrong guy - stiff shit and no harm done, at all.
>
> BTW, turning the other cheek in traffic is only a Good Thing if and only
> if there's a possibility of damage to anyone at all but the perp who's
> making you turn that cheek.
> That's because the arseholes of this world usually get away with being
> arseholes because the Just refuse to put matters right.
> Because they're the Just.
> But they don't have to be frightened of being Just.

I remember an incident when a guy objected to my abrupt stop at a stop
line when he'd honked from behind. Soon after he overtakes me at a
breakneck pace, pulls back over, and brakes hard.

However, he'd neglected to check his mirror, because, anticipating his
actions, I was a hundred metres further back.

Biggest laugh I'd had in weeks.

Sylvia.

John_H

Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>I remember an incident when a guy objected to my abrupt stop at a stop
>line when he'd honked from behind. Soon after he overtakes me at a
>breakneck pace, pulls back over, and brakes hard.
>
>However, he'd neglected to check his mirror, because, anticipating his
>actions, I was a hundred metres further back.

It's at that point they tend to get really irate!

>Biggest laugh I'd had in weeks.

Which makes 'em even crosser!

One hopes you then had the presence of mind to take the nearest left
hand exit and split the scene pronto. ;-)

--
John H

Sylvia Else

John_H wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> I remember an incident when a guy objected to my abrupt stop at a stop
>> line when he'd honked from behind. Soon after he overtakes me at a
>> breakneck pace, pulls back over, and brakes hard.
>>
>> However, he'd neglected to check his mirror, because, anticipating his
>> actions, I was a hundred metres further back.
>
> It's at that point they tend to get really irate!
>
>> Biggest laugh I'd had in weeks.
>
> Which makes 'em even crosser!
>
> One hopes you then had the presence of mind to take the nearest left
> hand exit and split the scene pronto. ;-)
>

I used appropriate caution, yes ;).

Sylvia.