Toby Ponsenby

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 066:51 GMT, RainbowWarrior wrote:

> "Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote in message
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>> Clocky <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has been in the
>>> past from 20 years of observation.
>>> Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.
>>
>> Is that in raw numbers, per vehicle km travelled, or per head of
>> population?
>>
>> The outright number of drivers has increased. The percentage of hoons
>> has probably actually declined on average over the past 50+ years because
>> a lot of city people now believe the social engineering that has been
>> going on, such as the outright demonisation of exceeding the speed limit.
>>
>> People who once were hoons are now actively complaining about the hoons,
>> and I tend to wonder if some of that is jealousy.
>>
>> Athol
>
> A guy who I work with had his neighbours son killed by a mate wrapping his
> car around the "Welcome To Redcliffe" sign coming off the Houghton Highway
> last week, my mate was only argueing with the idiot a few weeks earlier on
> how fast he drove down their street when visiting. Speed doesn't kill he
> said.
>
> I feel sorry for his passenger I guess. And yeah maybe I'm jealous of them
> both.
> More likely we all made those mistakes and did dumb shit when younger and
> are now mature enough to realise how lucky we were. Now most of my near
> misses are caused by other people, not my own actions.
> Maybe we should just let them go for it and learn the hard way, it's not our
> problem if they injure others is it?

Hmm..
Tragedy. Well found.
But you're making a point of something that's actually a point about
something entirely different.

Consider that area.
Consider it's DESIGN as a piece of road.
Consider whether it's a piece of shit primarily constructed to KILL
anyone foolish enough to be driving above Your Much Vaunted Stupid
Arbitary Speed Limit.

Now tell me you actually approve of the death penalty for exceeding the
Stupid Arbitrary Speed Limit.

The scum that designed that piece of road do, you know.

Clocky

"Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote in message
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> Clocky <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:
>
>> There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has been in the
>> past from 20 years of observation.
>> Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.
>
> Is that in raw numbers, per vehicle km travelled, or per head of
> population?
>
> The outright number of drivers has increased. The percentage of hoons
> has probably actually declined on average over the past 50+ years because
> a lot of city people now believe the social engineering that has been
> going on, such as the outright demonisation of exceeding the speed limit.
>
> People who once were hoons are now actively complaining about the hoons,
> and I tend to wonder if some of that is jealousy.
>

The number of "city cowboys" has increased in recent years significantly
adding to the hooning population, in part because of our boom times where
kids with lots of disposable income are buying performance cars.

Add into the mix hormone fueled stupidity and a decline in social
responsibility caused by lack of parental discipline and another hoon is
born.

Clocky

"RainbowWarrior" <anemailadress@somewhere.com.fr> wrote in message
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> "Clocky" <nicetry@migo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>>>I wrote wrote...
>>>
>>>> I wonder if those doing the videoing, if they're driving, will be
>>>> charged with
>>>> using a mobile phone whilst in charge of a motor vehicle.
>>> Further to this post of mine. Ms. Nixon, our Chief Commish, must've read
>>> this
>>> post..
>>>
>>> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...07-661,00.html
>>>
>>>> Still, I s'pose that it would be more effective than relying on people
>>>> "dobbing"
>>>> in hoons via a hotline. In that scenario the police can't do zip
>>>> without
>>>> evidence.
>>>
>>> And again, this is reflected in the above story.
>>>
>>> But then she talks about the hoon hotline. Again, this requires those
>>> who call
>>> in to be prepared to give evidence and to be cross examined if it went
>>> to court
>>> and their "evidence" was required to secure a conviction.
>>>
>>> Thing is, I wonder how many people, when the cops rock up to question
>>> the
>>> drivers at their homes, cave in on the spot and dob themselves in.
>>
>> That's the clincher, since most hoons are fairly basic units and probably
>> still have the tyres on the car as evidence there is a good chance that
>> they will dob themselves in.
>
> And otherwise, they can always do a random on the spot roadworthy or drugs
> search.
>

Yep.

Scotty

"Toby Ponsenby" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:38:34 +0200 (CEST), Athol wrote:
:
: > People who once were hoons are now actively complaining about the hoons,
: > and I tend to wonder if some of that is jealousy.
:
: Jealosy - perhaps.
: My mind boggles as to what I could have done with a Turbo-car or even a
: GenIII or IV all those years ago.
: Which is why I NEVER complain about Hoons.
: there's also the matter of ubanisation - there's pretty much no-where
: left to play, what with rural res developments and locking off of
: forestry areas etc.
:
: And Ageism - definitely.
: And lets not forget Bastardisation.
:
: FWIW, We have a couple of imbeciles round here that delight in leaving
: tyre-marks on the road at most driveways. At the worst, we get a little
: noise late at night one week-end in about 10. If that.
: The truly amazing thing is that the local older population get
: positively apoplectic about it.
: They just Will Not get the joke.
: Which is of course why the imbeciles come out to play.
:
:
: --
: Toby
:
: "Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
: finding it everywhere,
: diagnosing it incorrectly
: and applying the wrong remedies."
: -Groucho Marx.


I have had my share of hoony cars in the past but never did I or most of my mates hoon within built
up areas, not only would you get a rock through ya windscreen when you parked up ya ole man would
get a bollocking at the pub or 19th hole when in turn you would get an arse kicking when he got
home.

They should all **** off into areas not populated and hoon away, thats what cars where made for
(isnt it?)

Bernd Felsche

"Clocky" <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:
>"Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote:
>> Clocky <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:

>>> There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has
>>> been in the past from 20 years of observation.
>>> Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.

>> Is that in raw numbers, per vehicle km travelled, or per head of
>> population?

>> The outright number of drivers has increased. The percentage of
>> hoons has probably actually declined on average over the past 50+
>> years because a lot of city people now believe the social
>> engineering that has been going on, such as the outright
>> demonisation of exceeding the speed limit.

>> People who once were hoons are now actively complaining about the
>> hoons, and I tend to wonder if some of that is jealousy.

>The number of "city cowboys" has increased in recent years
>significantly adding to the hooning population, in part because of
>our boom times where kids with lots of disposable income are buying
>performance cars.

>Add into the mix hormone fueled stupidity and a decline in social
>responsibility caused by lack of parental discipline and another
>hoon is born.

You're a moron if you think that the behaviour of youths has changed
fundamentally in the past 30+ years.

Drag races down residential streets in 1974? You bet. "Performance
cars" never came into the equation. Corolla vs V8 ... no problem.
Participants are now respectable members of the public, complaining
about hoons.

Quite common. Same as people driving at about 100 mph along country
roads; because they could.

Besides stupidity, the only thing that's increased is the population.

"Hoons" are rarely a road safety issue. It's attractive because it's
perceived to be risky, annoying and rebellious. The more it's
proclaimed to be socially unacceptable, the greater the attraction.

Now, take a look at who's being prosecuted for "hooning". Age groups?
Occupations?
--
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RainbowWarrior

"Bernd Felsche" <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> You're a moron if you think that the behaviour of youths has changed
> fundamentally in the past 30+ years.
>
> Drag races down residential streets in 1974? You bet. "Performance
> cars" never came into the equation. Corolla vs V8 ... no problem.
> Participants are now respectable members of the public, complaining
> about hoons.

Yeah because we have our own families with kids & spouses we like to not see
underneath a car, we're now smart enough to look back at all our near misses
and people we know who were injured or died on the road and realise how
lucky we are.

> "Hoons" are rarely a road safety issue. It's attractive because it's
> perceived to be risky, annoying and rebellious. The more it's
> proclaimed to be socially unacceptable, the greater the attraction.

So we should make it socially acceptable and it will be safe?
I'll accept people doing burnouts outside my house at 2am if they accept me
backing up on their front lawn and roostertailing grass and mud all over the
front of their house and cars at 2am.
I'll accept them losing control and taking out my front fence when they
accept my bullbar pushing their car through the back of their garage.

Toby Ponsenby

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:38:32 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> "Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote in message
> news:g8d15p$12e$1@aioe.org...
>> Clocky <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has been in the
>>> past from 20 years of observation.
>>> Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.
>>
>> Is that in raw numbers, per vehicle km travelled, or per head of
>> population?
>>
>> The outright number of drivers has increased. The percentage of hoons
>> has probably actually declined on average over the past 50+ years because
>> a lot of city people now believe the social engineering that has been
>> going on, such as the outright demonisation of exceeding the speed limit.
>>
>> People who once were hoons are now actively complaining about the hoons,
>> and I tend to wonder if some of that is jealousy.
>>
>
> The number of "city cowboys" has increased in recent years significantly
> adding to the hooning population, in part because of our boom times where
> kids with lots of disposable income are buying performance cars.
>
It's called the CUB syndrome.
CUB - Cashed-up-Bogans

> Add into the mix hormone fueled stupidity and a decline in social
> responsibility caused by lack of parental discipline and another hoon is
> born.

Toby Ponsenby

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 1013 +0800, Bernd Felsche wrote:

> "Clocky" <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:
>>"Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote:
>>> Clocky <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:
>
>>>> There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has
>>>> been in the past from 20 years of observation.
>>>> Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.
>
>>> Is that in raw numbers, per vehicle km travelled, or per head of
>>> population?
>
>>> The outright number of drivers has increased. The percentage of
>>> hoons has probably actually declined on average over the past 50+
>>> years because a lot of city people now believe the social
>>> engineering that has been going on, such as the outright
>>> demonisation of exceeding the speed limit.
>
>>> People who once were hoons are now actively complaining about the
>>> hoons, and I tend to wonder if some of that is jealousy.
>
>>The number of "city cowboys" has increased in recent years
>>significantly adding to the hooning population, in part because of
>>our boom times where kids with lots of disposable income are buying
>>performance cars.
>
>>Add into the mix hormone fueled stupidity and a decline in social
>>responsibility caused by lack of parental discipline and another
>>hoon is born.
>
> You're a moron if you think that the behaviour of youths has changed
> fundamentally in the past 30+ years.
>
> Drag races down residential streets in 1974? You bet. "Performance
> cars" never came into the equation. Corolla vs V8 ... no problem.
> Participants are now respectable members of the public, complaining
> about hoons.
>
> Quite common. Same as people driving at about 100 mph along country
> roads; because they could.
>
> Besides stupidity, the only thing that's increased is the population.
>
> "Hoons" are rarely a road safety issue. It's attractive because it's
> perceived to be risky, annoying and rebellious. The more it's
> proclaimed to be socially unacceptable, the greater the attraction.
>
> Now, take a look at who's being prosecuted for "hooning". Age groups?
> Occupations?

Curiously enough, there was a radio 'news' item about that very thing
this AM. Apparently, the Girlies are getting into the act. It was said
that 47 yup - count-em, 47 had had their machinery confiscated in
Victoria in some period or other. Needless to say, no mention was made
about either the time period, nor was there any comparative info on
males of the same age. IOW, a beat-up - but nonetheless an interesting
story.
What to call them?

I guess Hoons is the politically correct term:-)



--
Toby

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
finding it everywhere,
diagnosing it incorrectly
and applying the wrong remedies."
-Groucho Marx.

Clocky

"Bernd Felsche" <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Clocky" <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:
>>"Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote:
>>> Clocky <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:
>
>>>> There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has
>>>> been in the past from 20 years of observation.
>>>> Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.
>
>>> Is that in raw numbers, per vehicle km travelled, or per head of
>>> population?
>
>>> The outright number of drivers has increased. The percentage of
>>> hoons has probably actually declined on average over the past 50+
>>> years because a lot of city people now believe the social
>>> engineering that has been going on, such as the outright
>>> demonisation of exceeding the speed limit.
>
>>> People who once were hoons are now actively complaining about the
>>> hoons, and I tend to wonder if some of that is jealousy.
>
>>The number of "city cowboys" has increased in recent years
>>significantly adding to the hooning population, in part because of
>>our boom times where kids with lots of disposable income are buying
>>performance cars.
>
>>Add into the mix hormone fueled stupidity and a decline in social
>>responsibility caused by lack of parental discipline and another
>>hoon is born.
>
> You're a moron if you think that the behaviour of youths has changed
> fundamentally in the past 30+ years.

You're a ****ing dickhead living in la-la-land if you think that those
reasons I listed aren't a factor.

Clocky

"Daryl Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> Clocky wrote:
>> "Daryl Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
>> news0b95d63$0$20315$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Christ - I despair at the utterly ****ED culture this rubbish truly
>>>>> represents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> What do you suggest we do about the increasing hooning problem?
>>> Who says we have an "increasing" problem?
>>> Having police patrol the roads like they used to would be a good start,
>>> police on the beat or out patrolling are almost non existent in most
>>> parts of Australia.
>>>
>>
>> There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has been in the
>> past from 20 years of observation.
>> Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.
> Is there a lack of police presence in WA like there is in Vic?
>

Yes, IMO.