RainbowWarrior

"Toby Ponsenby" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:33:31 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>
> What increasing hooning problem?
> What we have going on is as old as transport.

Ah so because it's a problem caused by the avent of transport, we shal not
botther acting on it, along with anything else that come from the early
days like thefrt of vehicles or dangerous use of them in public?

Daryl Walford

Clocky wrote:

>> Christ - I despair at the utterly ****ED culture this rubbish truly
>> represents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> What do you suggest we do about the increasing hooning problem?

Who says we have an "increasing" problem?
Having police patrol the roads like they used to would be a good start,
police on the beat or out patrolling are almost non existent in most
parts of Australia.


Daryl

Toby Ponsenby

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:47:36 GMT, RainbowWarrior wrote:

> "Toby Ponsenby" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:u05g72leui4r.t7ykw4650vrq.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:35:17 GMT, RainbowWarrior wrote:
>>
>>> "atec77" <atec77NOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g8b3q7$1h8$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> RogerM wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:g8atcl$iuj$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Snapper wrote:
>>>>>>>> Use your mobile to dob in hoons...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...0-2862,00.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder if those doing the videoing, if they're driving, will be
>>>>>>>> charged with
>>>>>>>> using a mobile phone whilst in charge of a motor vehicle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still, I s'pose that it would be more effective than relying on
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> "dobbing"
>>>>>>>> in hoons via a hotline. In that scenario the police can't do zip
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They won't be able to do much more with videos unless the law is
>>>>>>> changed. The problem will be that of identifying the individual hoon.
>>>>>>> Merely identifying the vehicle isn't enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True, that is unless it has time and date stamped on it, as in
>>>>>> security
>>>>>> cameras are not evidence unless so equipped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know that a time and date stamp would help. The problem, as I
>>>>> see
>>>>> it, is that a video will not usually be sufficiently good to allow the
>>>>> driver to be seen and identified.
>>>> doesn't need to be , the charges laid stay with the owner until proven
>>>> otherwise
>>>>>
>>>>> If the police just go to the owner later and demand to know who was
>>>>> hooning in the vehicle, the owner is likely to deny any knowledge.
>>>>> Unless
>>>>> there's a law that expressly makes the owner liable, then the police
>>>>> will
>>>>> have no case.
>>>> there is you silly bint .
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> And so many people fail to realise that although the video footage may
>>> not
>>> get you a conviction, it will get you noticed and probably at least a
>>> random
>>> roadside roadworthy check, while your thumbing your nose to the cops that
>>> they can't nick you for hooning.
>>>
>>> And the good thing is it's a little harder for someone else to falsely
>>> dob
>>> you in for hooning because they think your car is too loud.
>>
>> ****!!!
>> We're now going to discuss the ****en video HowTo.
>> Right.
>> What about whether scumsuckers out in the community are going for
>> "professional dob-in artist of the year" - for a Gong presented by the
>> forelock-tugging Governor - probably.
>> What about GovCo actively encouraging dobbing. On Anything, by the way.
>>
>> Christ - I despair at the utterly ****ED culture this rubbish truly
>> represents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Toby
>
> Yep the act of video taping people in the acts of car theft, burglarly and
> assualt is just more govco dob-in encouragement and should also be banned

You're missing the point - as usual:-)
The fact that people are out there committing the crime is the problem.
The fact that police are universally involved AFTER the fact is the
problem.
The fact that the useless turds in GovCo and the people themselves are
useless turds who as PARENTS can't drag up an honest citizen to ****en
save themselves, is the problem.
The fact that society is soo morally ****ed as to require vigilante
activity, is the problem.

I 'could' and probably should go on and on and ****en on about this
stuff, but I'd hate to bore you with detail.

But -here's a hint.
When some arsehole giggles and admits to thieving chocolates from the
corner shop when they were younger.
Do you:
a) Giggle and admit you did it too?
b)Ask them why they did it?
c) Walk away instead of smashing their head in then and there?
d) Say nothing and just remember to neva eva trust that arsehole in any
way whatsoever with anything.



--
Toby

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Clocky

"Daryl Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> Clocky wrote:
>
>>> Christ - I despair at the utterly ****ED culture this rubbish truly
>>> represents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> What do you suggest we do about the increasing hooning problem?
>
> Who says we have an "increasing" problem?
> Having police patrol the roads like they used to would be a good start,
> police on the beat or out patrolling are almost non existent in most parts
> of Australia.
>

There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has been in the
past from 20 years of observation.
Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.

Clocky

"Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>I wrote wrote...
>
>> I wonder if those doing the videoing, if they're driving, will be charged
>> with
>> using a mobile phone whilst in charge of a motor vehicle.
> Further to this post of mine. Ms. Nixon, our Chief Commish, must've read
> this
> post..
>
> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...07-661,00.html
>
>> Still, I s'pose that it would be more effective than relying on people
>> "dobbing"
>> in hoons via a hotline. In that scenario the police can't do zip without
>> evidence.
>
> And again, this is reflected in the above story.
>
> But then she talks about the hoon hotline. Again, this requires those who
> call
> in to be prepared to give evidence and to be cross examined if it went to
> court
> and their "evidence" was required to secure a conviction.
>
> Thing is, I wonder how many people, when the cops rock up to question the
> drivers at their homes, cave in on the spot and dob themselves in.

That's the clincher, since most hoons are fairly basic units and probably
still have the tyres on the car as evidence there is a good chance that they
will dob themselves in.

John_H

RainbowWarrior wrote:
>"Toby Ponsenby" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:rrtod328zxh$.190v1gd4xhq3u$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
>>
>> What increasing hooning problem?
>> What we have going on is as old as transport.
>
>Ah so because it's a problem caused by the avent of transport, we shal not
>botther acting on it, along with anything else that come from the early
>days like thefrt of vehicles or dangerous use of them in public?

I think he's trying to tell you if you've ever had your tent pegged
you'd hardly be bothered by a few donuts outside the front gate!

--
John H

Athol

Clocky <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:

> There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has been in the
> past from 20 years of observation.
> Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.

Is that in raw numbers, per vehicle km travelled, or per head of
population?

The outright number of drivers has increased. The percentage of hoons
has probably actually declined on average over the past 50+ years because
a lot of city people now believe the social engineering that has been
going on, such as the outright demonisation of exceeding the speed limit.

People who once were hoons are now actively complaining about the hoons,
and I tend to wonder if some of that is jealousy.

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

OzOne

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:38:34 +0200 (CEST), Athol
<athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote:

>Clocky <nicetry@migo.com> wrote:
>
>> There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has been in the
>> past from 20 years of observation.
>> Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.
>
>Is that in raw numbers, per vehicle km travelled, or per head of
>population?
>
>The outright number of drivers has increased. The percentage of hoons
>has probably actually declined on average over the past 50+ years because
>a lot of city people now believe the social engineering that has been
>going on, such as the outright demonisation of exceeding the speed limit.

Is that in raw numbers, per vehicle km travelled, or per head of
population?

>
>People who once were hoons are now actively complaining about the hoons,
>and I tend to wonder if some of that is jealousy.




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the_dawggie

On Aug 19, 9:38*am, Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
> Clocky <nice...@migo.com> wrote:
> > There are more dickheads on the road now then there ever has been in the
> > past from 20 years of observation.
> > Might not be Australia wide, but in WA hooning is a real problem IMO.
>
> Is that in raw numbers, per vehicle km travelled, or per head of
> population?
>
> The outright number of drivers has increased. *The percentage of hoons
> has probably actually declined on average over the past 50+ years because
> a lot of city people now believe the social engineering that has been
> going on, such as the outright demonisation of exceeding the speed limit.
>
> People who once were hoons are now actively complaining about the hoons,
> and I tend to wonder if some of that is jealousy.

Possible, however they likely grew out of it. These days I don't do
some of the stuff I used to. 1980s was a good time - could do
virtually
anything you wanted :-)

That said, I don't really care about hoons as long as they don't do
it outside my window while I'm sleeping, or otherwise crash into me
or others. If they are going to kill themselves, that is thier
decision,
just don't take out other people or their property.

John_H

the_dawggie wrote:
>
> These days I don't do
>some of the stuff I used to. 1980s was a good time - could do
>virtually anything you wanted :-)

Yeah, but in the 1960's and '70's you coulda been conscripted... which
woulda earned you the right to complain about hoons! ;-)

--
John H